Cataloging TheWho/John Reuben's Lies

[Troll Control]

Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to the industry."
Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits" because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when called out.

Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being "Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike" RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life raft anyway.

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the conversation.

Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when confronted.
Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him howling from being bitten so badly.

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications offered by TheWho in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

[Whooter]

Let's keep it short and go over just RobertBruce’s lies from this thread.

Lie #1:  RobertBruce claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  RobertBruce had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven over RobertBruce’s denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #2:  RobertBruce claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to the industry."
Truth #2:  RobertBruce already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over RobertBruce denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Lie #3:  RobertBruce claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  RobertBruce has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits" because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned Parent, which RobertBruce subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when called out.

Lie #4:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  RobertBruce dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being "Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, RobertBruce has actually claimed to BE Thewho many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike" TheWho login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for fun" was TheWho.' with a space and a period at the end).

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but RobertBruce clings to this meme like a life raft anyway.

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  RobertBruce seems to have dropped this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the conversation.

Lie #7:  RobertBruce claimed to have no criminal record when confronted.
Truth #7:  RobertBruce had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Lie #8:  RobertBruce claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  RobertBruce has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him howling from being bitten so badly.

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications offered by RobertBruce in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what reason now?

Sorry, RobertBruce, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

The moral of the story is… without proof they are just words.  Anyone can make up stories of all people you should know this, Brucie.  You need to take each one and prove your case.  You haven’t done that.  

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Each and every accusation above has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.  All links were provided.  You lied.  You got caught.  You got upset.  End of story.

Anyway, which lies are you specifically denying now?  Any you leave out will be considered uncontested and therefore admitted by you.  Be specific in your denials, please.  

I believe at least one link was provided for each lie you told and then your subsequent admission, proving you lied.  Anyone can read the original post and follow along the links that prove you are lying when you say it's just "words."  It's funny to watch you squirm like a worm under a magnifying glass though.  Good luck with that.

Readers, please notice that TheWho altered my post as well, changing his name to RobertBruce's.  This highlights the fact that he's willing to lie to try to destroy someone else and avoid accountability for his actions, which he demands from everyone else.  Doesn't he cry a lot about "altered posts"?  Why is he altering yet another post?  Hmmm...

[Whooter]

Each and every accusation above has been proved beyond a reasonable doubt.  All links were provided.  You lied.  You got caught.  You got upset.  End of story.

Anyway, which lies are you specifically denying now?  Any you leave out will be considered uncontested and therefore admitted by you.  Be specific in your denials, please.  

I believe at least one link was provided for each lie you told and then your subsequent admission, proving you lied.  Anyone can read the original post and follow along the links that prove you are lying when you say it's just "words."  It's funny to watch you squirm like a worm under a magnifying glass though.  Good luck with that.

Readers, please notice that TheWho altered my post as well, changing his name to RobertBruce's.  This highlights the fact that he's willing to lie to try to destroy someone else and avoid accountability for his actions, which he demands from everyone else.  Doesn't he cry a lot about "altered posts"?  Why is he altering yet another post?  Hmmm...

Well why dont you humor myself and the readers and take the first one and show us how you proved it:

Lie #1: Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1: Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting. This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

[Troll Control]

Heck, I'll just go for all of them to save time.

Rebuttal section:

Let's keep it short and go over just Whooter's lies from this

thread.

Lie #1:  Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1:  Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten

and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting.  This was proven

over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying.

Lie #2:  Whooter claims to be just a "regular parent with no ties to

the industry."
Truth #2:  Whooter already admitted he was part of a "statistical group to assess TBS

safety" that met in Chicago.  This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting

the post where he already admitted it.

TheWho admitting to being an industry player and saying TBS "is where the money's at."

Lie #3:  Whooter claims not be John Reuben.
Truth #3:  whooter has contacted at least one parent from this forum and provided her

the email address "onekidatatime@yahoo.com" for her to contact him "outside of Fornits"

because "everyone here has an agenda to discredit programs."  The email address has

been verified to be that of John Reuben and is the admin email account at

savingteens.org.  This was proven by posting the original PM from TheWho to Concerned

Parent, which TheWho subsequently altered in a quote and copped to altering it when

called out.

TheWho's PM to Concerned Parent is posted in its entirety.

Whois search for savingteens.org shows the email address Whooter provided belongs to John Reuben.

Lie #4:  RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #4:  Whooter dropped this claim and went on to blame someone else for being

"Concerned Parent."  Interestingly enough, Whooter has actually claimed to BE

RobertBruce many times and later copped to fabricating at least one "lookalike"

RobertBruce login to try to impersonate him (the login he admitted to creating "for

fun" was 'RobertBruce .' with a space and a period at the end).

Whooter begins his claim that RobertBruce is "Concerned Parent."

Whooter continues to hammer at the meme "Concerned Parent is RobertBruce" without a shred of evidence to suggest that.

...and hammering it some more...

Lie #5:  Ajax13 is "Concerned Parent."
Truth #5:  Ajax13 is not Concerned Parent, but Whooter clings to this meme like a life

raft anyway.

Here we have Whooter denying being himself, posting as "Dick Cheney" claiming Ajax13 and not RobertBruce "fabricated the PM."

Lie #6:  Ajax13 AND RobertBruce are "Concerned Parent."
Truth #6:  Both are provably NOT "Concerned Parent."  Whooter seems to have dropped

this notion now because obviously they both couldn't be "Concerned Parent" at the same

time, but that simple logic didn't stop him from floating it to distract from the

conversation.

Here Whooter claims both RobertBruce and Ajax13 are "Concerned Parent."  Now he's veering all over the place grasping at straws with no proof.

Lie #7:  Whooter claimed to have no criminal record when

confronted.
Truth #7:  Whooter had already admitted years ago, on this board, that he was "arrested

several times in Boston and once in Ann Arbor Michigan."

Whooter admitting to being arrested "many times in Boston" and elsewhere.

Lie #8:  Whooter claims not to have lied at all.
Truth #8:  Whooter has been caught lying like a rug using only his own posts and PMs as

evidence of the lies.  Essentially, he lied about everything, then had to walk it all

back piece by piece as he was caught again and again.  Now the only thing from the

above list he won't cop to is being Reuben, but considering he lied about and was

proven lying about the rest of the items in this thread, his  assertion is just him

howling from being bitten so badly.

No link required, see above.  ; )

So, that's 8 full-fledged, lie-through-your-teeth prevarications

offered by TheWho in just this single thread.  People should believe him for what

reason now?

Sorry, Whooter, your lying chickens have come home to roost and nobody here believes

anything you say anymore.  Better luck next time.

Whooter has been fully owned yet again and busted out lying through his teeth yet

again.  Whooter, you better try something else, like going back to trolling with

endless emoticons to slow the page loading, because you are SO BUSTED in YOUR OWN WORDS

and you just can't hide anymore.  Your legacy here has cought up to you and just won't

go away.  Can't escape those facts, son.

[Whooter]

Well why dont you humor myself and the readers and take the first one and show us how you proved it:

Lie #1: Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1: Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting. This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Nice try.  Now stick with the first question:

You say that I claim I never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting... First When was I asked this question and second what was my answer.  How did you conclude that I lied about anything?

[Troll Control]

Well why dont you humor myself and the readers and take the first one and show us how you proved it:

Lie #1: Whooter claims he never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting.
Truth #1: Whooter had already bragged about it two years ago, but must have forgotten and was quoted saying he did indeed go to Chicago for a TTI meeting. This was proven over Whooter's denials by simply quoting the post where he already admitted it.

Nice try.  Now stick with the first question:

You say that I claim I never went to Chicago for a TTI meeting... First When was I asked this question and second what was my answer.  How did you conclude that I lied about anything?

Sure, I'll dumb it down for you just this once.

Whooter adamantly denying he was ever in Chicago, of course, a confirmed lie.

You say both? You could probably document this Reuben guy as being there, but how do you place me there? You say you have documented evidence. Evidence would mean I was posting from Chicago at the same time this meeting took place. That may raise some eyebrows I would say. But you see you dont have that evidence because I wasnt there.

Underlined emphasis added by me...

Well, you just denied being there in that post.  But of course, as we all know, you were lying and exposed for it.  Here's the link where you admitted it two years ago:

Whooter, in his own words, admits to the trip he was just denying.

Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first.

Again, you are a proven liar.  We all know you do it, so why bother entertaining any more of your fallacious posts?  These are just quotes of you denying what you already said.  How dumb can you really be to think we wouldn't notice these lies???

[Whooter]

Here I will refresh your memory:

]you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.

You say both?  You could probably document this Reuben guy as being there, but how do you place me there?  You say you have documented evidence.  Evidence would mean I was posting from Chicago at the same time this meeting took place.  That may raise some eyebrows I would say.  But you see you dont have that evidence because I wasnt there.  

So you said I was there just before STICC was launched.  STICC was launched in April of 2004.  You also said I was with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen.  Do you care to try to deny you said this?

In February of 2007 I wrote:
Well, I PM?d several people here on fornits and eventually we formed a ?Statistical group? and decided to meet at the Hyatt in Chicago about a month ago. We spent 3 days hammering out a direction and figured we would tackle the TBS sector first. We felt you were well respected here at fornits and had your hands around the other areas and were doing fine independently. Your name was brought up several times so you were not forgotten or left out.

  Link

So where is the lie?

[Whooter]

So you see you tried to place me in Chicago at some meeting before STICCs was Launched in April of 2004.  My post says I was in Chicago in January 2007.  So you off by almost 3 years.

So there was no lie there....... and actually you lied because you never proved that Woodbury, Reuben and the others were there also.  But I will save that for another time.

If you are satisfied we can move to the next one.

[Troll Control]

Right here:

In 2009 You said, and I quote:

"...I wasnt there."

Lying THEN or lying NOW?

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

[Whooter]

Right here:

In 2009 You said, and I quote:

"...I wasnt there."

Lying THEN or lying NOW?

This is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Guest said:  you both took a trip to Chicago to meet with Lon Woodbury, Martha Kolbe and a host of other industry bogeymen just before STICC was launched.

You asked if I was there just before STICCs was launched and... "I wasnt there".  I said it again.  I was there in 2007.  Can you find a post that places me there before just before April 2004?

[Whooter]

Let me know when you want to go to #2

[Troll Control]

Squirm, squirm.  Wiggle, wiggle!  Obviously STICC was incorporated in 2004, but the board of directors, etc. was put together in 2007 and the business was really launched then.  You're trying to play semantics, but your faiing (flailing?).

Of course, this has nothing to do with the context of your post where you claimed never to have been in Chicago.  FAIL.  Try again.

[Whooter]

Squirm, squirm.  Wiggle, wiggle!  Obviously STICC was incorporated in 2004, but the board of directors, etc. was put together in 2007 and the business was really launched then.  You're trying to play semantics, but your faiing (flailing?).

Of course, this has nothing to do with the context of your post where you claimed never to have been in Chicago.  FAIL.  Try again.

the post said " just before STICCs was launched"... I said "I wasnt there" and my post proves that.  Now if you want to call someone a liar you need to place me there and provide evidence.

The readers can wait.  If you dont have the evidence to place me there then just say so, I wont rub it in and we can move on to #2.

[Troll Control]

Already done.  You are proven to be a liar.  When I said "launched" I meant really getting down to business by adding the Board of Advisors and Directors, not the incorporation date.  If I meant "incorporated" I would have said so.  Being from the business world, I would have thought you knew that businesses can be incorporated for years before they launch.  Some never do.  I guess I shouldn't assume you know anything at all and make it all really simple for you.

So let's clear up the semantics:  The real launch of STICC was late December 2006, not coincidentally, right after the meeting in Chicago.  You admitted on February 8 of 2007 you were there "about a month ago" (which could easily mean "six weeks") which was, again, not coincidentally, right after the big meeting you had to get the board together, December, 2006.  December, 2006 is when Goldberg and Woodbury, et al came on board for STICC.  Soon after, they began placing children in earnest.