How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Victims?

[Dysfunction Junction]

He attacked Anne for the same reason he did this:

Why, Whooter?  Why do you call people pedophiles and accuse them of bestiality?  Read your own words below and tell us again how you never did this.  Why do you accuse others of doing this when the record is clear that it was you who did it?

And as far as Anne is concerned you have been involved in several threads where she told her personal story.  You were and are aware of her sexual assault.  Then you ridiculed her by calling her rape "unprotected sex."  WHY DID YOU DO THIS?

In my experience reading Whooter's posts, whatever he is accusing someone else of is what he himself has actually done, usually many, many times.

To wit:

Pedophilia/Child Molestation

If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

More pedophilia/Child Molestation

You are sick Ajax13.  Stop molesting and abusing your son.  Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family.  Its only a forum.  Leave your kid in peace.

Bestiality (keep in mind he is posing as "RobertBruce" claiming to engage in bestiality while simultaneously trying to make people believe RobertBruce actually is TheWho, thereby transferring all of his nasty posts onto RobertBruce, so this is a double whammy - a survivor engaged in bestiality and a survivor posting all of TheWho's disgusting posts)

I only do dogs remember? woof, woof. Its me Bruce. Sorry I trolled you all those years and made you look foolish, but I was taking my anger out on you for my time in HLA. I retired TheWhos name to Ursus and now just post under RobertBruce or as a "Guest".

So here is indelible evidence that Whooter routinely accuses people of bestiality and child molestation.  This is only two example of what are many.

Again, we all want to know, why does Whooter do this?  The answer, I'm afraid, is simple - to invalidate abuse victims and take the power of their stories away.

Sometimes he's even more explicit in denying victims of abuse:

How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.

Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors.  Surviving what?  A cush stay at RTC?  Its an insult to people who actually survived something.

Only a very sick mind operates like this and, unfortunately, we here at Fornits have seen that Whooter is an exemplar of the behavior of all program pushers.  They have all had the exact same M.O.

He was called on the carpet for lying and went nuclear on the poster who caught him.  Same thing with Anne.  She pressed Whooter about his "fabricated sons" and Whooter popped a vein on her too.  It's right on the firt page of this thread.

[Anne Bonney]

He attacked Anne for the same reason he did this:

Why, Whooter?  Why do you call people pedophiles and accuse them of bestiality?  Read your own words below and tell us again how you never did this.  Why do you accuse others of doing this when the record is clear that it was you who did it?

And as far as Anne is concerned you have been involved in several threads where she told her personal story.  You were and are aware of her sexual assault.  Then you ridiculed her by calling her rape "unprotected sex."  WHY DID YOU DO THIS?

In my experience reading Whooter's posts, whatever he is accusing someone else of is what he himself has actually done, usually many, many times.

To wit:

Pedophilia/Child Molestation

If your point is to just post laws, well, thats easy.  There are thousands of them.  I didnt see where the law you posted was written for AARC.  The one posted pertains to people like yourself who abuse their kids sexually.  At least mine has some credibility.

More pedophilia/Child Molestation

You are sick Ajax13.  Stop molesting and abusing your son.  Just because this poster proved you wrong is no reason to take it out on your own family.  Its only a forum.  Leave your kid in peace.

Bestiality (keep in mind he is posing as "RobertBruce" claiming to engage in bestiality while simultaneously trying to make people believe RobertBruce actually is TheWho, thereby transferring all of his nasty posts onto RobertBruce, so this is a double whammy - a survivor engaged in bestiality and a survivor posting all of TheWho's disgusting posts)

I only do dogs remember? woof, woof. Its me Bruce. Sorry I trolled you all those years and made you look foolish, but I was taking my anger out on you for my time in HLA. I retired TheWhos name to Ursus and now just post under RobertBruce or as a "Guest".

So here is indelible evidence that Whooter routinely accuses people of bestiality and child molestation.  This is only two example of what are many.

Again, we all want to know, why does Whooter do this?  The answer, I'm afraid, is simple - to invalidate abuse victims and take the power of their stories away.

Sometimes he's even more explicit in denying victims of abuse:

How would you know what a parent thinks, Who? You threw your daughter away to ASR, so you don't have the right to call yourself that anymore, and your continued use of the word is a heavy insult to the real parents reading this forum.

Kinda like the rest of you calling yourself survivors.  Surviving what?  A cush stay at RTC?  Its an insult to people who actually survived something.

Only a very sick mind operates like this and, unfortunately, we here at Fornits have seen that Whooter is an exemplar of the behavior of all program pushers.  They have all had the exact same M.O.

He was called on the carpet for lying and went nuclear on the poster who caught him.  Same thing with Anne.  She pressed Whooter about his "fabricated sons" and Whooter popped a vein on her too.  It's right on the firt page of this thread.

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[Whooter]

Because you posted that you put a son in a program.

and I explained why I did what I did.  If you take a look at the thread and read the posts leading up to where I stated that it would be more clear to you why I said what I said.  If the reason why a person says something doesn't matter to you than just say so and I will not try to explain the reasoning behind what I say.  We can communicate in sound bites if that works.  But I dont want to waste my breath if you are not interested.



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[RobertBruce]

Assumptions are an awful thing arent they? Imagine if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry or their name was John Reuben, Peter or Alan Newman, or assumed they profited from the industry or assumed they were an EdCon.

Do you think people on fornits would ever make assumptions like this?

You say this as if there were never any basis or evidence to bolster our claims concerning you. You provided all the support we needed to make our (true) claims against you. Here take a look:

if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry

And here's you giving us all a reason to believe that:

I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24054&p=295949&hilit=fiduciary#p295949

As for the John Reuben:

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Here you are answering your own questions about Max Reuben and attending his mother's funeral.

How else would you have such detailed information John?

In the meantime you have never backed up any of your lies about us. Not about myself, Anne, DJ, Ajax, or all the numerous others you've had to lie about after being proven wrong.


John I think your problem is you're so arrogant that you can't not talk about yourself and give us clues. You have such a high (misplaced) opinion of yourself and you feel you can read people's minds that you honestly think there's no way we would put the pieces together. I keep telling you, you'd probably be a lot better off if you could just get over yourself.

[Whooter]

Assumptions are an awful thing arent they? Imagine if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry or their name was John Reuben, Peter or Alan Newman, or assumed they profited from the industry or assumed they were an EdCon.

Do you think people on fornits would ever make assumptions like this?

You say this as if there were never any basis or evidence to bolster our claims concerning you. You provided all the support we needed to make our (true) claims against you. Here take a look:

if someone assumed that they worked in the TT industry

And here's you giving us all a reason to believe that:

I have a fiduciary duty which prevents me from speaking in any specific terms in this area

http://http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=24054&p=295949&hilit=fiduciary#p295949

As for the John Reuben:

3 Days maybe 4 I dont remember. A family member an aunt I think picked him up and went back with him. He wasnt forced to go, he was glad to get a break from that place.

Here you are answering your own questions about Max Reuben and attending his mother's funeral.

How else would you have such detailed information John?

In the meantime you have never backed up any of your lies about us. Not about myself, Anne, DJ, Ajax, or all the numerous others you've had to lie about after being proven wrong.


John I think your problem is you're so arrogant that you can't not talk about yourself and give us clues. You have such a high (misplaced) opinion of yourself and you feel you can read people's minds that you honestly think there's no way we would put the pieces together. I keep telling you, you'd probably be a lot better off if you could just get over yourself.

In all fairness I will give this guy John a chance to respond to this before I jump in.  I have a few points which may help to clear this up but it would not be fair to John if I jumped on his post.



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[RobertBruce]

As I said, call yourself whatever you like. The post was directed towards you.

[Froderik]

"Program pushers" will go to just about ANY length to invalidate abuse victims...

The #1 rule at STRAIGHT INC. was "Confidentiality."

"What you see here, hear here (sic), and do here remains here."

If you broke this rule and got caught you were "started over."


This illustrates the type of oppressive mentality you are dealing with in regard to programs like STRAIGHT.

STRAIGHT INC is still in business today, but under different names (it began as a spin-off of The Seed, and sustains itself by forming offshoot organizations when the lawsuits get out of hand.) Perhaps someone could name a few of the current Straight-descendant programs, like Teen Challenge?

[Whooter]

As I said, call yourself whatever you like. The post was directed towards you.

We all call ourselves what we like.  You call yourself RobertBruce others Watchful Yeoman.  I call myself Whooter.  If you address the post to Peter, Alan Newman or John then it confuses the readers and myself.  If you want me to respond to a specific post then you should indicate that.  If I ask Watchful Yeoman a question I dont say Frank or Trevor.  How would people understand the flow of the conversation or know why watchful Yeoman was answering another persons' post.

To make it easier for others to follow I will stick to answering posts directed towards Whooter.  I hope this helps to clear things up for you.



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[RobertBruce]

Absolutely. I hope your fellow board of directors and family members know your username(s) and can figure all the crazy things you've been saying on here. In the meantime rest assured all posts directed towards "John" are meant for you. For the time being I'll refer to you as Whooter or it's derivatives.

[Whooter]

Absolutely. I hope your fellow board of directors and family members know your username(s) and can figure all the crazy things you've been saying on here. In the meantime rest assured all posts directed towards "John" are meant for you. For the time being I'll refer to you as Whooter or it's derivatives.

 Will you respond to Squiggy?  I will take on the name "John" if you answer to Squiggy.  Then we can both call Dysfunction Junction "Lenny".  How does that sound?

Maybe we can call Anne "Shirley"?

Give it some thought.



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[RobertBruce]

As I've said to you many times before, I have no idea who Lenny or Squiggy is. You may refer to me as Robert, Bruce, Bob if you like, although it's seldom I hear that one aside from one guy in my office.


In the meantime I honestly wonder how in your overblown sense of arrogance you justify your inability to respond to all the questions and comments that tear apart your arguments or paint you into corners.

I mean obviously you believe you're far smarter than all the other people who post here (you aren't). So since you think that's true, why is it we seem able to repspond to whatever you throw our way, while you have to pick and choose while you try and sort out the toughies?

Let me know Hoot.

[Whooter]

As I've said to you many times before, I have no idea who Lenny or Squiggy is. You may refer to me as Robert, Bruce, Bob if you like, although it's seldom I hear that one aside from one guy in my office.


In the meantime I honestly wonder how in your overblown sense of arrogance you justify your inability to respond to all the questions and comments that tear apart your arguments or paint you into corners.

I mean obviously you believe you're far smarter than all the other people who post here (you aren't). So since you think that's true, why is it we seem able to repspond to whatever you throw our way, while you have to pick and choose while you try and sort out the toughies?

Let me know Hoot.

Squiggy, anyone who has read here for even a short while knows I am not usually lost for words and dont shy away from any discussion.  I dont believe I am smarter than anyone else.  I just happen to be on the side of the argument which has more facts to back me up.



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[RobertBruce]

Squiggy, anyone who has read here for even a short while knows I am not usually lost for words and dont shy away from any discussion. I dont believe I am smarter than anyone else. I just happen to be on the side of the argument which has more facts to back me up.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

Then for once in your life John, provide them. Back up any of your lies you've told about people on here.

[Whooter]

Squiggy, anyone who has read here for even a short while knows I am not usually lost for words and dont shy away from any discussion. I dont believe I am smarter than anyone else. I just happen to be on the side of the argument which has more facts to back me up.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

Then for once in your life John, provide them. Back up any of your lies you've told about people on here.

Squiggy, Anyone who has been reading here for even a few days realizes that I provide more links to back up what I say than yourself, Lenny and Laverne combined.  If you check with the moderators they will tell you that I even received a warning for supplying too many links.  I dont think you and Lenny can make that claim.



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[RobertBruce]

Squiggy, Anyone who has been reading here for even a few days realizes that I provide more links to back up what I say than yourself, Lenny and Laverne combined. If you check with the moderators they will tell you that I even received a warning for supplying too many links. I dont think you and Lenny can make that claim.

 :roflmao:  :roflmao:  :roflmao:

We can Johnny, most of my own links are to stupid comments you've made and then tried to lie about later on. Usually you drop out of the conversation at that point and try to forget about the whole thing.

You don't back up anything with facts John. But if you're so certain that you do, by all means please link again to something proving one of your lies about myself, DJ, or Anne.