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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #255 on: December 24, 2010, 10:56:04 AM »
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I am not saying that you view all programs the same.


Bullshit.  You say that quite a bit.

Yes I do.  but what I meant in that last statement is that you view programs through a filter.  The filter or bias that was bestowed upon you by your experiences at straight and reading here.  I view the industry via my own filter based on my experiences and what I have read here on fornits.


I view SOME programs through a filter because they're basically the same, or worse, than what I went through.  You keep implying that I view ALL programs through that filter.

Yes I did.  We all do whether you like it or not.  All our views are based on past experiences and reading on the subjects.  Some people may chose to  discard certain facts when forming their opinions, but most of us base them on something.


What????  Some programs are decent and treat the kids well.  The LGAT-type programs don't.  Why is this hard to understand?
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #256 on: December 24, 2010, 11:01:33 AM »
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What????  Some programs are decent and treat the kids well.  The LGAT-type programs don't.  Why is this hard to understand?

Yes, there are good and bad programs. Bbut you and I may differ on which ones are good and which ones are bad based on our individual experiences and knowledge.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #257 on: December 24, 2010, 11:08:40 AM »
Of course. You view the ones who pay you for your referals as good, and the ones who don't as potential customers you don't want to speak ill of.

You keep missing we all actually experienced this abusive industry first hand. All you did was lock your kids up from it and then find a way to get a check out of it. Your filter is based on money, nothing more.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #258 on: December 24, 2010, 11:15:29 AM »
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As we all read through the above post it settles the dispute as to who brought Anne's rape into the conversation.

You did. Thanks for finally admitting that.

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Anne and I spoke in PMs and she indicated that she didnt think that your bringing up her rape into the conversation was intended to hurt or embarrass her and I agree. I think you brought it up more as an attack on me than anything else, but I think it was in poor taste for you to use Annes' victimization and circumstances as a means to attack others. I hope that you would rethink doing this in the future and try to be more sensitive of other peoples personal stories.


Was it in poor taste for you to lie about Anne, or bring up things you had no way of actually knowing? Get over yourself John. You sound like Al Haig refering to lies he told Congress as 'terminological inexactitude'. Your cowardice shines through when you can't even stand behind your own lies.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #259 on: December 24, 2010, 11:19:01 AM »
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Of course. You view the ones who pay you for your referals as good, and the ones who don't as potential customers you don't want to speak ill of.

You keep missing we all actually experienced this abusive industry first hand. All you did was lock your kids up from it and then find a way to get a check out of it. Your filter is based on money, nothing more.

I agree with you on one small part and that is that our filters are different based  on our individual experiences.  This is an area where we agree.  The rest of your post and follow-on response is in error.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #260 on: December 24, 2010, 11:35:16 AM »
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What????  Some programs are decent and treat the kids well.  The LGAT-type programs don't.  Why is this hard to understand?

Yes, there are good and bad programs. Bbut you and I may differ on which ones are good and which ones are bad based on our individual experiences and knowledge.


But you keep defending the programs that use the LGAT methods, i.e. humiliation, extreme confrontation, degradation etc.  Those do nothing to help and most often harm the kids.  We know this because we've been exposed to it.  You have no idea what it's like to be locked up for years on end being subjected to that kind of "treatment".
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #261 on: December 24, 2010, 11:43:58 AM »
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Was it in poor taste for you to lie about Anne, or bring up things you had no way of actually knowing?


As much as he thinks it bothers me, it doesn't in the least.  I know what happened to me before and after Straight.  He has no knowledge of the inner workings of those kinds of programs.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #262 on: December 24, 2010, 11:48:07 AM »
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Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits.  You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education.  You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.

But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs.  You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail.  You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life.  Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.


Please explain or cite your sources for this.  I WAS a shy and timid girl, I never dropped out of school.  I drank some, but not much and experimented with weed.  I wasn't having unsafe sex willingly.  How did you come to these conclusions?


Passive-aggressive.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #263 on: December 24, 2010, 11:51:37 AM »
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He has no knowledge of the inner workings of those kinds of programs.

No more than he knows any of our experiences or the events that happened to us. He thinks he does, because he thinks he's smarter than everyone, so he feels justified in lying. He isn't willing to accept the fact that no one believes his lies and in the end he's the only one who ends up looking stupid.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #264 on: December 24, 2010, 11:53:47 AM »
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He has no knowledge of the inner workings of those kinds of programs.

No more than he knows any of our experiences or the events that happened to us. He thinks he does, because he thinks he's smarter than everyone, so he feels justified in lying. He isn't willing to accept the fact that no one believes his lies and in the end he's the only one who ends up looking stupid.

Merry Christmas, Bruce, I hope you can find a way to purge your anger.  Enjoy the weekend and get to connect with family somehow.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #265 on: December 24, 2010, 11:58:31 AM »
Wow, Whoots, Anne  sounds like many normal girls I knew! Even if she did more that that, she'd still sound like many normal girls I knew.
And even if she dropped out and enjoyed every vice known to man on a daily basis - I still don't think the answer is a Mind Rape Factory. For some reason - maybe common sense - I don't think you address issues with wholesale emotional and psychological abuse.  But maybe that's just me.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #266 on: December 24, 2010, 12:03:51 PM »
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even if she dropped out and enjoyed every vice known to man on a daily basis - I still don't think the answer is a Mind Rape Factory.

Of course not...is it ever the answer?
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #267 on: December 24, 2010, 12:18:14 PM »
This thread really shows his attitude towards kids.  It's the best insight into how he thinks.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #268 on: December 24, 2010, 12:20:45 PM »
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even if she dropped out and enjoyed every vice known to man on a daily basis - I still don't think the answer is a Mind Rape Factory.

Of course not...is it ever the answer?

I think we all agree, I dont think anyone deserved to be placed in a mind rape factory.  I dont think the parents knew much about them in those days.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #269 on: December 24, 2010, 12:22:17 PM »
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even if she dropped out and enjoyed every vice known to man on a daily basis - I still don't think the answer is a Mind Rape Factory.

Of course not...is it ever the answer?

I think we all agree, I dont think anyone deserved to be placed in Straight.  I dont think the parents knew much about them in those days.


Then why do you lie about my actions pre-Straight and say that my parents were right in sending me there?
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