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Offline Whooter

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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #195 on: December 22, 2010, 03:44:04 PM »
Read it and weep!  lol

Anne and I already agreed that I never brought her rape into the conversation.  You brought it up.  Here take a look:


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

Link

Your continuous fixation is troubling, DJ.  You are the only one on this thread that keeps bringing it up.  why is that?



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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #196 on: December 22, 2010, 03:56:07 PM »
It actually was rape, although I didn't use that word.  He was an adult and I was a child.

Whooter's playing the semantics game AGAIN to take the focus off of him.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #197 on: December 22, 2010, 03:57:59 PM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
Read it and weep!  lol

Anne and I already agreed that I never brought her rape into the conversation.  You brought it up.  Here take a look:


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

Link

Your continuous fixation is troubling, DJ.  You are the only one on this thread that keeps bringing it up.  why is that?


But you keep inferring that I was a willing participant.....that it was part of my "norm" and that I was having "unprotected sex".  Whether or not the actual word "rape" was used is irrelevant, but you know this.  Same mindset as program staff.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #198 on: December 22, 2010, 03:58:54 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.


Why did you do that, Whooter?  It's a simple question, bro.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #199 on: December 22, 2010, 04:01:24 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
It actually was rape, although I didn't use that word.  He was an adult and I was a child.

I am sorry that this was brought up in an open forum like this, Anne.  I understand that you and DJ are friends but I still don't agree with his decision to bring up the fact that you were raped as a young girl.  I consider it poor judgment.  This should be reserved for a time and place when you are comfortable to speak about it.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #200 on: December 22, 2010, 04:06:19 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
It actually was rape, although I didn't use that word.  He was an adult and I was a child.

I am sorry that this was brought up in an open forum like this, Anne.

Oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze.   I brought it up and have no problem talking about it.  

Quote from: "Whooter"
I understand that you and DJ are friends

I know him as much as I know you.  From postings only.  Never met him, nor talked on the phone and probably PMed just as much as I have with you, which is a handful at best.


Quote from: "Whooter"
but I still don't agree with his decision to bring up the fact that you were raped as a young girl.  I consider it poor judgment.  This should be reserved for a time and place when you are comfortable to speak about it.

No, because it directly relates to how it was "treated" in Straight......pretty much how you've dealt with it here.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #201 on: December 22, 2010, 04:17:38 PM »
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I understand that you and DJ are friends

I know him as much as I know you.  From postings only.  Never met him, nor talked on the phone and probably PMed just as much as I have with you, which is a handful at best.

But can't you see how similar you are? It's like he is your fellow kindred spirit, in the epic cosmic battle against the evil Whooter Empire. Whooter is an early riser, usually the first to post. Strangely enough, he also posts quite late many nights. I've heard the older you get the less you sleep, perhaps that explains it. But what's your routine, Anne?

You and DJ seem to start posting at about the same time each morning. It would seem you have somewhat similar routines, and also similar psychological needs, which is the only explanation for as why a sane adult person would dedicate themselves to feeding a troll, day in, day out. Do you get up about 6AM? Go for a job around the neighborhood, maybe? Or are you not that into health, and perhaps start the morning with a cigarette and coffee?

Well at some point, you kiss your family goodbye and sit down at the computer, and think to yourself... "Hmm, wonder what Whooter posted this morning?". You then log onto fornits, check what predictable, infinitely repeated argument Whooter made, and sign in and start responding. That leads into more topics of conversation and before you know it, you spent all day on the computer again, talking about hypothetical moral situations about how to handle adolescents in programs.

This, Dysfunction and Anne have both in common, some psychological need, some deep desire to have an intellectual and ego battle with Whooter. The reasons they give for this behavior are similar to what you'd hear from an alcoholic explaining why it's okay they drink everyday, all day long. It only makes sense to them. To us, shall I be as bold to call us sane, at least relatively speaking, on the outside looking in, well it's just confusing and appears as to be some sick form of self torture. Do these people not get bored of having the same argument, day in, day out? Do they really look forward every morning to sitting down and arguing with Whooter, once again?

Fornits does't seem to be a place where people come idly by and discuss things. The people who are regular posters on this forum have some need, some thing, that drives them to torture themselves with these behaviors. I can't say I know exactly what that need is. But luckily for the world it only seems to effect a minuscule portion of the survivor population. Most of us see fornits for the loony bin that it is. Although, it used to be good for entertainment. Now it's boring, predictable, and downright sad.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #202 on: December 22, 2010, 04:44:00 PM »
Daily Recap:

DJ continues to struggle with explaining why he brings up Anne Bonneys rape in every other post.  He seemed desperate today in trying to pin the blame on someone else (myself) but failed miserably when faced with supplying links to back up his statements.  The slam dunk was when Anne came out herself and stated that I never mentioned rape in my initial post which started this whole conversation in motion.  He is a little piece:

Quote from: "Whooter"
Anne and I already agreed that I never brought her rape into the conversation.  You brought it up.  Here take a look:


Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

Link



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #203 on: December 23, 2010, 01:19:15 AM »
John, I wonder if you could explain why you brought up and lied about Anne having unprotected sex as a child, and how you could possibly know about it?
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #204 on: December 23, 2010, 08:05:51 AM »
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John, I wonder if you could explain why you brought up and lied about Anne having unprotected sex as a child, and how you could possibly know about it?

John?  You may have posted on the wrong thread.  This recent discussion is mostly between Dysfunction Junction, Anne Bonney, Shaggys and myself.



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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #205 on: December 23, 2010, 10:56:34 AM »
Quote from: "Guest5"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "Whooter"
I understand that you and DJ are friends

I know him as much as I know you.  From postings only.  Never met him, nor talked on the phone and probably PMed just as much as I have with you, which is a handful at best.

But can't you see how similar you are? It's like he is your fellow kindred spirit, in the epic cosmic battle against the evil Whooter Empire. Whooter is an early riser, usually the first to post. Strangely enough, he also posts quite late many nights. I've heard the older you get the less you sleep, perhaps that explains it. But what's your routine, Anne?

You and DJ seem to start posting at about the same time each morning. It would seem you have somewhat similar routines, and also similar psychological needs, which is the only explanation for as why a sane adult person would dedicate themselves to feeding a troll, day in, day out. Do you get up about 6AM? Go for a job around the neighborhood, maybe? Or are you not that into health, and perhaps start the morning with a cigarette and coffee?

Well at some point, you kiss your family goodbye and sit down at the computer, and think to yourself... "Hmm, wonder what Whooter posted this morning?". You then log onto fornits, check what predictable, infinitely repeated argument Whooter made, and sign in and start responding. That leads into more topics of conversation and before you know it, you spent all day on the computer again, talking about hypothetical moral situations about how to handle adolescents in programs.

This, Dysfunction and Anne have both in common, some psychological need, some deep desire to have an intellectual and ego battle with Whooter. The reasons they give for this behavior are similar to what you'd hear from an alcoholic explaining why it's okay they drink everyday, all day long. It only makes sense to them. To us, shall I be as bold to call us sane, at least relatively speaking, on the outside looking in, well it's just confusing and appears as to be some sick form of self torture. Do these people not get bored of having the same argument, day in, day out? Do they really look forward every morning to sitting down and arguing with Whooter, once again?

Fornits does't seem to be a place where people come idly by and discuss things. The people who are regular posters on this forum have some need, some thing, that drives them to torture themselves with these behaviors. I can't say I know exactly what that need is. But luckily for the world it only seems to effect a minuscule portion of the survivor population. Most of us see fornits for the loony bin that it is. Although, it used to be good for entertainment. Now it's boring, predictable, and downright sad.


That's quite a prose.  I post during the day while I'm at work and it's slow.  That's really about it.  Conjure up whatever you want about my motives for posting.  If it's so boring, predictable and sad then don't read it.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #206 on: December 23, 2010, 11:02:50 AM »
Quote from: "Whooter"
DJ continues to struggle with explaining why he brings up Anne Bonneys rape in every other post.


You brought up (and totally exaggerated) my sexual past in order to discredit my stating that there was no need for me to be in Straight.  The way you stated it was not only wrong but the reason behind it was to imply that I needed to be in Straight.  That's really about it.  The word rape is inconsequential, however it was statutory rape if you want to get technical about it.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #207 on: December 23, 2010, 11:23:38 AM »
Quote from: "Whooter"

Yes, but I never said you were a willing participant in a rape.  .



Is it just me, or is Whooter implying that SOME rape victims are "willing participants?"   As in "she asked for it?"  Whooter, you are even more fucked up than I originally thought.  By definition, the only willing participant in a rape is the rapist.    Whooter, however, seems to believe otherwise.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #208 on: December 23, 2010, 12:06:11 PM »
No, what needs to happen is for Whooter to end up in a situation where he thought he wanted to have sex but then decided no, I don't want to. But the other person who happens to be more dominate, stronger and violent decides well you are going to have sex whether you want to or not. Then proceeds to take what he wants. This is called rape, whether it is a prostitute, your wife or your virgin daughter. No!!!! Means!!!! No!!!!!

Statutory rape victims have usually been manipulated and or coerced into the actual sexual act from someone much older then them. The victims most always end up being hurt psychologically from the experience. This has been my experience with family members, friends and others I have had the benefit of assisting in the aftermath.

The children Whooter, remember!!! This is what this site is all about.

Whooter, you think this site is a fucking game, where you can play. You take what people share and you insult them with what they so graciously shared. Your a fucking asshole. Period!!!!!
I don't care if I get banned, censored or whatever. In my opinion as many others you just have to go and I mean as soon as possible.
You are a fool who's time has long passed.

Sorry everyone but this sensitive subject which is hard to read for me coupled with Whooters comments I just find entirely repugnant.
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Re: How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Vict
« Reply #209 on: December 23, 2010, 12:10:49 PM »
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No, what needs to happen is for Whooter to end up in a situation where he thought he wanted to have sex but then decided no, I don't want to. But the other person who happens to be more dominate, stronger and violent decides well you are going to have sex whether you want to or not. Then proceeds to take what he wants. This is called rape, whether it is a prostitute, your wife or your virgin daughter. No!!!! Means!!!! No!!!!!

Statutory rape victims have usually been manipulated and or coerced into the actual sexual act from someone much older then them. The victims most always end up being hurt psychologically from the experience. This has been my experience with family members, friends and others I have had the benefit of assisting in the aftermath.

The children Whooter, remember!!! This is what this site is all about.

Whooter, you think this site is a fucking game, where you can play. You take what people share and you insult them with what they so graciously shared. Your a fucking asshole. Period!!!!!
I don't care if I get banned, censored or whatever. In my opinion as many others you just have to go and I mean as soon as possible.
You are a fool who's time has long passed.

Sorry everyone but this sensitive subject which is hard to read for me coupled with Whooters comments I just find entirely repugnant.

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