How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Victims?

[Dysfunction Junction]

We're past that.  Anne doesn't care and neither does anyone else.  Now, what we need to know is where did you get your information about Anne's sex life thirty years ago when she was 15.  Any links?  Newspaper articles?  Wikipedia entries ; )  Anything?  Or can we just conclude you made it up as a means to try to hurt her for pointing out your fabricated son?

[Whooter]

We're past that.  Anne doesn't care and neither does anyone else.  Now, what we need to know is where did you get your information about Anne's sex life thirty years ago when she was 15.  Any links?  Newspaper articles?  Wikipedia entries ; )  Anything?  Or can we just conclude you made it up as a means to try to hurt her for pointing out your fabricated son?

Just out of the blue we were talking about how far program pushers will go to invalidate abuse victims and you start talking about Anne Bonney being raped.  Why is that DJ?  What is it about that subject that keeps you having to insert it into every conversation?  You have been fixated on this for a few months now and when we ask you about it you try to blame me and others for bring up.  Your whole manner on this thread is troubling, DJ.



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[Anne Bonney]

It's one or the other.  Unless you just believe that some kids are just born bad.

You seriously don't think that the way kids are raised has anything to do with any "issues" they may or may not have???   You've really gone off the deep end.

I never said that Anne.  You are making things up again.

Really???

That's the entire M.O. of LGAT-type programs.  Blame the victim.  Everything is the kids fault.  It helps parents to alleviate their guilt/responsibility.

Another way to view it ......  could be to  Blame the program or the parents...  Some survivors mantra:   "I never did anything wrong to deserve being placed into a program, everything wrong in my life is due to them.  Nothing is my fault, my parents raised me so therefore they are responsible for how I turned out!!  lol

[Whooter]

Another way to view it ......  could be to  Blame the program or the parents...  Some survivors mantra:   "I never did anything wrong to deserve being placed into a program, everything wrong in my life is due to them.  Nothing is my fault, my parents raised me so therefore they are responsible for how I turned out!!  lol

I thought I would hi-light that for ya!!



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[Anne Bonney]

Let's get this resolved before we move on.  

How does Whooter know about Anne's "sex life" at the age of 15?  

I'd like an answer to that as well.

Also, we still have the issue f the "fabricated son" which was created in direct response to someone accusing a program of abuse , so Whooter fabricated a son, lied that he went to that program and told his "success story" all just to invalidate that abused kid.  

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Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.
Semantics

But just to say I made up a son is misleading.  I was trying to protect another poster at the time.  If you added that in when you brought it up you would be more sincere and less misleading.

Did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter?

So do you, with your comments about me making up sons and daughters.

Did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter?

[Dysfunction Junction]

I have been continuously amazed at the lengths pro-program people will go to discredit abuse vicims and smear their character in order to invalidate their personal stories of abuse at programs.

Here's an example of a pro-program poster using this tactic of personal destruction to invalidate the experiences and words of an abuse survivor from one of the most notoriously abusive and harmful programs ever to exist - Straight, Inc.

Fabricated sons.  Plural.  Or fabricated daughter, singular.  Which is it?

Look, Anne, we have already established that you have not been truthful with the readers here on fornits.  You try to make the readers believe that you were this shy little girl prior to going into a program and they turned you into the foul mouthed person that we read about everyday here who blames the program for your lack of education. You change your story with the wind and lie about the events that occurred in your program to gain attention.

But the truth is that you dropped out of school started drinking and doing drugs.  You got into car accidents and started hanging out with with kids who were ending up in jail.  You were having unsafe sex and your parents didn’t want to raise their grandchildren while you figured out your life.  Maybe straight wasn’t the best choice, but you were surly at risk and they needed to do something.



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Anne Bonney has been very open about the abuse she suffered inside and outside Straight, including the horrible fact that she was raped as an underaged girl and was blamed for her own rape by the program staff.  She was a young rape victim not old enough to drive or to know anyone in any jails and she was put into Straight where she was dreadfully abused, as all the kids there were, and revictimized.  Whooter knows this story.  Yet he found it fit to comment on Anne's personal history with disgusting false accusations and sexualized aggression toward her.

What is wrong with sadistic cretins like this?

I stand behind my posts.

Now I'd like to hear your reasons for posting that Anne Bonney was having unprotected sex as an underaged girl. You know she was raped. Was this rape what you're calling "unprotected sex"? You do realize that your average rapist doesn't ask his victim if she wants to have "protected non-consensual sex," right? I'm curious to hear your reasons why you are taking personal potshots of a sexual nature at a rape victim. That's not cool. Did the admin warn you about this deplorable behavior?

Stand behind your posts like a man.  Why did you do this to a person who has told you several times in the past she was raped and the program staff blamed her for it?

What did the mods say to you about it?

Once more, when confronted with his own ugly words and deeds, Whooter scurries away like a plague rat.

He wants to avoid this, but he should not be allowed.

I also asked him to provide examples of where I lied.  He's yet to do that either.

And that post of his really is a prime example of the title of this thread.  Not only is it filled with outright lies about my years before Straight, it was posted solely to try to hurt me and to take the focus off of him.

We're discussing this.  Anne's waiting for you to either show her evidence that what you said was true (For the record she says you are lying, see above) or to admit you made it up to hurt her and we can move on.  

I think she has a legitimate right to know why you would say something so ugly and false about someone just because they caught you fabricating a child.  The post just before you invented this story was asking you directly about your fabricated family members and you went off on Anne with the above lie-laden falsehood streak.  So that's what set you off, but why would you go this far with your disgusting lies about Anne?  That's what needs to be explained.

[Whooter]

Thanks,DJ, for clearing up the fact that I never mentioned the word "Rape".  I am just sitting here scratching my head wondering why you focus so much on this area.  As an example, Just out of the blue, we were talking about how far program pushers will go to invalidate abuse victims and you start talking about Anne Bonney being raped. Why is that DJ? What is it about that subject that keeps you having to insert it into every conversation? You have been fixated on this for a few months now and when we ask you about it you try to blame me and others for bring up. Your whole manner on this thread is troubling, DJ.

I would like to see this resolved.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

Here's the link to Whooter "fabricating his son," as it were.  Notice Mr. "I Take Accountability" has gone back and edited the contents of his post.

Now we just want to know why a self-proclaimed "truth seeker" would lie about having a kid he didn't have and also make up his "program story" too.

And, the main point of this thread so far is we need to hear why Whooter was talking about Anne's childhood "sex life" when he could not possibly know anything about it even going as far as to call a rape simply the 15 year old child "having unsafe sex."  And deserving getting sent to a program for it.  This is a far length to go to in order to punch back at someone who caught you making up a kid.

[Whooter]

Here's the link to Whooter "fabricating his son," as it were.  Notice Mr. "I Take Accountability" has gone back and edited the contents of his post.

Now we just want to know why a self-proclaimed "truth seeker" would lie about having a kid he didn't have and also make up his "program story" too.

And, the main point of this thread so far is we need to hear why Whooter was talking about Anne's childhood "sex life" when he could not possibly know anything about it even going as far as to call a rape simply the 15 year old child "having unsafe sex."  And deserving getting sent to a program for it.  This is a far length to go to in order to punch back at someone who caught you making up a kid.

Here is DJ bringing up Anne Bonneys rape yet again, unbelievable.  Anne and I already agreed that I never brought her rape into the conversation.  You brought it up.  Here take a look:

Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

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Your continuous fixation is troubling, DJ.  You are the only one on this thread that keeps bringing it up.  why is that?



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[Dysfunction Junction]

Anne wants an answer, too.  Just answer the lady already.

Let's get this resolved before we move on.  

How does Whooter know about Anne's "sex life" at the age of 15?  

I'd like an answer to that as well.

Also, we still have the issue f the "fabricated son" which was created in direct response to someone accusing a program of abuse , so Whooter fabricated a son, lied that he went to that program and told his "success story" all just to invalidate that abused kid.  

 :tup:

Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.
Semantics

But just to say I made up a son is misleading.  I was trying to protect another poster at the time.  If you added that in when you brought it up you would be more sincere and less misleading.

Did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter?

So do you, with your comments about me making up sons and daughters.

Did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter?

[Whooter]

Here's the link to Whooter "fabricating his son," as it were.  Notice Mr. "I Take Accountability" has gone back and edited the contents of his post.

Now we just want to know why a self-proclaimed "truth seeker" would lie about having a kid he didn't have and also make up his "program story" too.

And, the main point of this thread so far is we need to hear why Whooter was talking about Anne's childhood "sex life" when he could not possibly know anything about it even going as far as to call a rape simply the 15 year old child "having unsafe sex."  And deserving getting sent to a program for it.  This is a far length to go to in order to punch back at someone who caught you making up a kid.

Here is DJ bringing up Anne Bonneys rape yet again, unbelievable.  Anne and I already agreed that I never brought her rape into the conversation.  You brought it up.  Here take a look:

Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

Link

Your continuous fixation is troubling, DJ.  You are the only one on this thread that keeps bringing it up.  why is that?



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I would like to get an answer on this before we move forward, DJ.  I find it disturbing that you continue to pry into this subject.  Do you have a response?



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I find it troubling that you call the rape of a 15 year old girl "unprotected sex" and Anne would like to know where you got your information because it's false.  Just admit you made it up and we can talk about whatever you like.  You fabricated a child, you would obviously fabricate Anne's story after she challenged you about the fabricated child.  You made it up, Whooter.  Just be honest for once.

[Whooter]

I find it troubling that you call the rape of a 15 year old girl "unprotected sex" and Anne would like to know where you got your information because it's false.  Just admit you made it up and we can talk about whatever you like.  You fabricated a child, you would obviously fabricate Anne's story after she challenged you about the fabricated child.  You made it up, Whooter.  Just be honest for once.

There it is again.  Anne Bonney and myself already agreed that I never brought this word up, DJ.  I think you should try to explain why you try to insert this into every conversation.  We can move on to other topics and issues but I need to feel comfortable about why you keep obsessing about Anne and her being attacked like that.  It is troubling to me and I am sure many of the readers.

If you could take a minute to explain it may be helpful in understand why you continue like this.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

It has been proven Whooter knew about the rape and intentionally called it "unsafe sex" to try to hurt Anne.  He won't admit it now, but these posts prove it without a doubt.

I've talked about it here several times.

I never read it before.  


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Of course, you are a liar doing what you do most often - lying.

Many kids grow and suffer at home.  Trying to get thru the teenage years is difficult at beast and their ican much pain involved as they grow.

That's the natural process that is supposed to happen.  You guys take that away when you ship these kids off.

 

The pain and suffering may not be the result of the school but may be natural maturation.  I think we can all point to many kids we knew who grew and matured at home and it wasnt considered a joyous occasion.

I've used this analogy before but it fits.  I was raped when I was 15.  It made me stronger eventually.  I sure would go back in time and remove that night from my life if I could though.  Whatever growth comes from abuse isn't worth it.

 I was referring to the pain and suffering of growing up at home naturally, not kids that were beaten or raped.[/size]  I believe pain and suffering can be a natural process of getting thru the teen years for most kids.

Not only have you read it many times, you responded to it several times as well.  Drop this onto the "Lie Pile" Whooter is building.

He knew it and intentionally made the most hurtful comment he could (calling rape "unprotected sex") for the express purpose of punching Anne in the gut and shutting her down.  It's deplorable that anyone would do this.  But we've come to expect this behavior from Whooter.

[Anne Bonney]

There it is again.  Anne Bonney and myself already agreed that I never brought this word up, DJ.

SEMANTICS