How Far Will Program Pushers Go to Invalidate Abuse Victims?

[RTP2003]

"How far will program pushers go to invalidate abuse victims?"  This thread has turned into exactly what it was designed to expose.

A girl, raped at 15, was just "having unsafe sex" according to the program pusher.

Just look at the program pusher attack victims to try to minimize their abuse and blame it on them instead of the people who committed crimes against them when they were children.

It's disgusting and it's wrong.

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[Anne Bonney]

exactly, Anne,  Someone else brought rape into this.  I was not me, it is clear you and I agree on this.

So you're playing the semantics game again.  

You DID make up a son/daughter.  Doesn't matter why.

So why people do things doesnt matter to you?  That is very telling, Anne.

When it comes to something like what you did, no......it doesn't.  You fabricated a son/daughter in order to advance your agenda.  

Classy    

How do you come by this "information"?

Your fabricated son/daughter is classy also, Anne.

Exactly my point.  MY fabricated daughter??  Where, exactly, did you come up with this one?


 

You can find the information in the same thread where you claimed I fabricated son(s) and daughters(s).  Also where you claimed I said I worked for the industry.

I said it was my belief.  I did not state it as a fact.  There is a difference Mr. Black/White

Now, answer the question......did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter and where are you getting this information........

 

"how many times you had unprotected sex before your parents finally had to intervene for your own good."

[Whooter]

"How far will program pushers go to invalidate abuse victims?"  This thread has turned into exactly what it was designed to expose.

A girl, raped at 15, was just "having unsafe sex" according to the program pusher.

Just look at the program pusher attack victims to try to minimize their abuse and blame it on them instead of the people who committed crimes against them when they were children.

It's disgusting and it's wrong.

I think this is one of the few times that we agree, DJ.  I think to bring up another person being raped and discussing it openly on a forum without the victims consent is insensitive at the very least.  Victims of rape should be allowed the time and place to talk about their tragedy of their own choosing.  There is is a certain ex-staff program pusher (one who pushes programs down) from HLA who likes to dig up and expose survivors personal injuries and discuss them openly on the internet.  To me this is wrong.  Maybe he gains a sense of power by doing this, I really dont know.  I understand that other people dont have a problem with this, but it is my personal view.



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[Anne Bonney]

"How far will program pushers go to invalidate abuse victims?"  This thread has turned into exactly what it was designed to expose.

A girl, raped at 15, was just "having unsafe sex" according to the program pusher.

Just look at the program pusher attack victims to try to minimize their abuse and blame it on them instead of the people who committed crimes against them when they were children.

It's disgusting and it's wrong.

That's the entire M.O. of LGAT-type programs.  Blame the victim.  Everything is the kids fault.  It helps parents to alleviate their guilt/responsibility.

[Whooter]

When it comes to something like what you did, no......it doesn't.  You fabricated a son/daughter in order to advance your agenda.  

Anne, you are not being truthful and your intentions are not sincere.  I explained this to you several times in the past.  You expect others to be truthful you need to be truthful yourself.  I wont respond further to this subject.



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[Anne Bonney]

When it comes to something like what you did, no......it doesn't.  You fabricated a son/daughter in order to advance your agenda.  

Anne, you are not being truthful and your intentions are not sincere.  I explained this to you several times in the past.  You expect others to be truthful you need to be truthful yourself.

Dude......you're cooked and this thread has proven that more than any of the others.  Please name where I've been "untruthful".  

 

I wont respond further to this subject.

Gee......I wonder why?    

[Dysfunction Junction]

exactly, Anne,  Someone else brought rape into this.  I was not me, it is clear you and I agree on this.

So you're playing the semantics game again.  

You DID make up a son/daughter.  Doesn't matter why.

So why people do things doesnt matter to you?  That is very telling, Anne.

When it comes to something like what you did, no......it doesn't.  You fabricated a son/daughter in order to advance your agenda.  

Classy    

How do you come by this "information"?

Your fabricated son/daughter is classy also, Anne.

Exactly my point.  MY fabricated daughter??  Where, exactly, did you come up with this one?


 

You can find the information in the same thread where you claimed I fabricated son(s) and daughters(s).  Also where you claimed I said I worked for the industry.

I said it was my belief.  I did not state it as a fact.  There is a difference Mr. Black/White

Now, answer the question......did you or did you not fabricate a son/daughter and where are you getting this information........

 

"how many times you had unprotected sex before your parents finally had to intervene for your own good."

I guess now we'll find out "how much FURTHER program pushers will go to invalidate abuse victims?" I was stunned he went this far, but I guess we could see even more if we wait. I'd like to know how Whooter came about creating this fake story of Anne Before Straight and how none of it turns out to be in any way even resembling the truth.

[Whooter]

That's the entire M.O. of LGAT-type programs.  Blame the victim.  Everything is the kids fault.  It helps parents to alleviate their guilt/responsibility.

Another way to view it ......  could be to  Blame the program or the parents...  Some survivors mantra:   "I never did anything wrong to deserve being placed into a program, everything wrong in my life is due to them.  Nothing is my fault, my parents raised me so therefore they are responsible for how I turned out!!  lol



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[Anne Bonney]

That's the entire M.O. of LGAT-type programs.  Blame the victim.  Everything is the kids fault.  It helps parents to alleviate their guilt/responsibility.

Another way to view it ......  could be to  Blame the program or the parents...  Some survivors mantra:   "I never did anything wrong to deserve being placed into a program, everything wrong in my life is due to them.  Nothing is my fault, my parents raised me so therefore they are responsible for how I turned out!!  lol

It's one or the other.  Unless you just believe that some kids are just born bad.

You seriously don't think that the way kids are raised has anything to do with any "issues" they may or may not have???   You've really gone off the deep end.

[Anne Bonney]

I wont respond further to this subject.

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[Whooter]

It's one or the other.  Unless you just believe that some kids are just born bad.

You seriously don't think that the way kids are raised has anything to do with any "issues" they may or may not have???   You've really gone off the deep end.

I never said that Anne.  You are making things up again.  When you start to feel that I am making things up about you just remember these posts of yours.  You will be treated the way you treat others.  Now on to my response:

I believe that each situation is unique.  The child is a result of his/her environment and genetic make up which could have some predisposed risks of depression, addiction etc.  Some children are damaged by their unhealthy family life, some are not.  Some kids get off track by siding with a bad group of kids which effects them adversely and come from a very healthy family structure.  Each child arrives at the front steps of a program with a unique past.  There is nothing black and white that can be said about these children and their past.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

Let's get this resolved before we move on.  

How does Whooter know about Anne's "sex life" at the age of 15?  

Also, we still have the issue f the "fabricated son" which was created in direct response to someone accusing a program of abuse , so Whooter fabricated a son, lied that he went to that program and told his "success story" all just to invalidate that abused kid.  

We need to clear up why this was done to that kid and to Anne before we move onto other excuses for other invalidations.

Cut the crap, Anne, I never mentioned your Rape.  You and I spoke about this in PM's.  I never brought it up as a topic.  If you can show me the post where you think I said that then I will apologize.  

I never said that you said the word "rape".  You did imply that I was having "unprotected sex", inferring that I was a willing participant.

But just to say I made up a son is misleading.  I was trying to protect another poster at the time.  If you added that in when you brought it up you would be more sincere and less misleading.

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I do.  You don't.  You twist what people say and pull quotes out of context to fit your agenda.

So do you, with your comments about me making up sons and daughters.

You admitted making up a son/daughter (I can't keep track anymore).  So what am I to think?

[Whooter]

I think we should try to understand why DJ brought up Anne Bonneys rape without her consent also.



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[Dysfunction Junction]

I think we should try to understand why DJ brought up Anne Bonneys rape without her consent also.



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I gave consent.

OK, that's resolved, so we need to go back to Whooter's assertions about Anne and see the proof he has of what he purported to be Anne's behavior.  Keep in mind he never knew Anne, doesn't now and claims to know her sexual history from 30 years ago.  This should be interesting and informative.

Please, go ahead and explain, Whooter.

[Whooter]

I think we should try to understand why DJ has a need to focus on Annes Rape in this thread.  No one has made an issue of it except him.  No one brought it up in any of the arguments except him and one time shaggys did.  Is this possibly a fixation that he has?  It would be interesting to get to the bottom of this and find some answers.  It is a little troubling.



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