New Fornits Rules/Constitution [Ratified]

[psy]

Whooter.  Speculating about a person's identity does not rise to the level of an insult. This set the standard.  Anything equal or greater to that.

[DannyB II]

Whooter.  Speculating about a person's identity does not rise to the level of an insult. This set the standard.  Anything equal or greater to that.

Just for discussion;  when does the speculation stop, I think it has been determined that he is not John Rueben.
What is more relevant here is the motive/intention of saying John Rueben, it is not speculation or being inquisitive, I believe it has crossed over into just being insulting. Whenever people are angry or frustrated with Whooter, this name pops up.
I know you know your Web Site Psy, better then I, but my point stands.
Jesus, people seem to think talking about a fathers dead son, is all right. Even if this is not true, just the idea you would use this against someone should be analyzed. It is digusting and most of you here believe it is justified because of Whooters views.
It seems the ones screaming the most around here about the new rules are the ones who have been the most creative with their vitriol to posters. You can dress up your insults within intellectual speeches and inspiring stories but if your agenda is to scandalize someone, well that is attacking.
In my opinion anyway.
Yes, I am a hypocrite here but I admit it. Most of you and you know who you are (the righteous ones) don't.

[Che Gookin]

Whooter.  Speculating about a person's identity does not rise to the level of an insult. This set the standard.  Anything equal or greater to that.

Just for discussion;  when does the speculation stop, I think it has been determined that he is not John Rueben.
What is more relevant here is the motive/intention of saying John Rueben, it is not speculation or being inquisitive, I believe it has crossed over into just being insulting. Whenever people are angry or frustrated with Whooter, this name pops up.
I know you know your Web Site Psy, better then I, but my point stands.
Jesus, people seem to think talking about a fathers dead son, is all right. Even if this is not true, just the idea you would use this against someone should be analyzed. It is digusting and most of you here believe it is justified because of Whooters views.
It seems the ones screaming the most around here about the new rules are the ones who have been the most creative with their vitriol to posters. You can dress up your insults within intellectual speeches and inspiring stories but if your agenda is to scandalize someone, well that is attacking.
In my opinion anyway.
Yes, I am a hypocrite here but I admit it. Most of you and you know who you are (the righteous ones) don't.

I might find myself agreeing with this post to an extent. Except it comes from danno, which means I can't.

[SEKTO]

Can I propose that Bennison be placed on the restriction of making only a limited number of posts per day, say three, until he learns to stay on topic and not try and make himself the center of attention on every thread he participates in?

[DannyB II]

Can I propose that Bennison be placed on the restriction of making only a limited number of posts per day, say three, until he learns to stay on topic and not try and make himself the center of attention on every thread he participates in?

Instead of resurrecting a war again SEKTO, which I am not going to engage in, why don't we go to PM's and sort this out. We used to get along if that is not possible why don't we refrain from trying to antagonize one another.
Yes, SEKTO, I said some very cruel things to you in anger, not to patronize you but I do feel some remorse about this.
Peace can happen.

Danny

[SEKTO]

Can I propose that Bennison be placed on the restriction of making only a limited number of posts per day, say three, until he learns to stay on topic and not try and make himself the center of attention on every thread he participates in?

Instead of resurrecting a war again SEKTO, which I am not going to engage in, why don't we go to PM's and sort this out. We used to get along if that is not possible why don't we refrain from trying to antagonize one another.
Yes, SEKTO, I said some very cruel things to you in anger, not to patronize you but I do feel some remorse about this.
Peace can happen.

Danny

No.  I will participate in no private communications of any kind with you.

[DannyB II]

Can I propose that Bennison be placed on the restriction of making only a limited number of posts per day, say three, until he learns to stay on topic and not try and make himself the center of attention on every thread he participates in?

Instead of resurrecting a war again SEKTO, which I am not going to engage in, why don't we go to PM's and sort this out. We used to get along if that is not possible why don't we refrain from trying to antagonize one another.
Yes, SEKTO, I said some very cruel things to you in anger, not to patronize you but I do feel some remorse about this.
Peace can happen.

Danny

No.  I will participate in no private communications of any kind with you.

Well then you will have to work this out with yourself, could be frustrating, almost like pissing in the wind. This is the problem with folks like yourself SEKTO, you don't know when to move on, you give me so much power, it is sad.

Take care,
Leave me alone SEKTO, your bordering on trolling me for nefarious reasons.

[RobertBruce]

Danny before you place your beloved Whooter on the cross, do a periphary glance at his earlier posts. Accusing people of child molestation is only the tip of his disgusting iceberg. And for the record he is John Reuben. He outed himself, my referring to him by his name is by no means a violation of the rules. Talking about a factual situation involving his son's suicide might be insensitive, but it's still based in fact. He's had multiple opportunities to turn over a new leaf and hold an honest conversation, he doesn't want one. Ask yourself why.

[DannyB II]

Danny before you place your beloved Whooter on the cross, do a periphary glance at his earlier posts. Accusing people of child molestation is only the tip of his disgusting iceberg. And for the record he is John Reuben. He outed himself, my referring to him by his name is by no means a violation of the rules. Talking about a factual situation involving his son's suicide might be insensitive, but it's still based in fact. He's had multiple opportunities to turn over a new leaf and hold an honest conversation, he doesn't want one. Ask yourself why.

Listen to yourself, how you talk. Then you talk to me, about crosses and situations, suicides (son), him having multiple opportunities to change and if he did, I would stop, I would not do this and I, I, I.
Robert, you are infested.
This is not about Whooter for me actually, what caught my eye was the references to a fathers dead son I read months ago. It was then brought to the fore front again recently, I was just shocked and disgusted simultaneously that someone here on the site would write about such a thing. I am a father with a son, I could not think this way.
I don't know who you are and I can not judge you, I mean this I can't, don't want too. I will say this though, your quest will never end, your vengeance, it is a cup that will never fill up and nothing you do today or tomorrow will make what he did or is doing right or wrong, better or worse.
Sometimes what is, is what it is.
Move on Robert.

[RobertBruce]

You misunderstand. I personally appreciate the fact that Whooter posts here. He highlights for parents seeking information exactly what kind of people are behind this industry. He sets himself up as the poster boy for the entire industry and thereby becomes a lightining rod for it. I honestly think this board would get a little boring without him. I have no reason to seek revenge against him, he's never done anything to me. I'm not even interested in revenge against those at HLA. They were all exposed and got their comeupance. What I am interested in is highlighting the truth behind this industry and the people who support it. My treatment of Whooter is nothing compared to the things he's attempted to do, the things he has done, and the things he would do if he were smart enough to pull it off. You keep mentioning blackmail, he can tell you Whooter did unequivocally attempt to blackmail me. He didn't actually have any information to do so with, but after gladly violatting HIPPA laws he sure thought he did. He attempted to force me to take his side in an argument he was losing. He made it very clear if I didn't he would 'reveal some very damaging information about me.' I advised him HLA didnt know who I was and his threats were meaningless, he still tried his hardest though.

So you tell me Danny, am I treating Whooter any different? My feeling is that I am. I'm not attempting to gain something for myself at his expense, I'm simply forcing him to be accuntable for his own actions. Where in your mind is the problem?

[Whooter]

Look Bruce, you and "Controlling Troll" should form a club or something.  You have both gone over the edge.  You are chasing a ghost in your own mind.  I am not going to debate you on information you fabricated in your head or "screen shots" of PM's that "Controlling Troll" photo shopped.  Its nutty stuff.  No one really cares, I dont.

I agree with Danny that its not right to obsess over this guy and his son who committed suicide.  You guys had your fun of outing me and trying to make people think you knew who I was, but its over.  Try to have some decency,  these attacks on him really make you look bad.

When and If you guys are interested in the issues of the TTI then I will be willing to respond in kind.



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[Troll Control]

I say the following without insult intended. I feel the new rules are not being well applied. I saw Ajax was banned, though he is one of the few posters who contributes anything other than troll threads, flame wars, aa spew, etc. and general stupidity. His posts were in the appropriate forum, and, as such, not really misleading. If he's banned, why not John Reuben (aka whooter, it is said) for bringing up CEDU in a non CEDU thread? Why not that poster who threatened to decapitate Ajax?

 Perhaps fornits will maintain the status quo of being a troll overrun site, plus unnecessary censorship, now?

Evil WWASP,  just to clear things up my name is not John Reuben.   If you are sincere about not intending to insult anyone then I would appreciate it if you addressed me by my user name.  I intend to extend the same courtesy to other posters here on fornits myself.



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Evil WWASP, please address this poster by his username.  Pick one from the  list of usernames he has used on Fornits that you like and use that one.  You can choose from these, but there are plenty more if you don't find one you like.

RobertBruce.

RobertBruce .

RobertBruces

BEN WAjowski

Fred Bicep

Peg Sympson

John C.

Mike D.

Ursas

Slander Programs

John B.

Jim Bunson

Dot MacKinnon

Jammie Sympson (eventually it will be the whole “Sympson Family” I suppose)

Mark Rosen

Roger Glasdco

John Randall

Pete DeGroot

Mark DeGroot (I guess the “DeGroot Family” too)

Warner Stubbin

Steve Backlan

James Driding

Rob Jamison

Boarding Schools Pros and Cons (he’s the “con”)

Bess H.

Iao;nori

Jim Baylor

Sid Michaels

Fred Thompson

John McCain

Sarah Palin

Mitt Romney

Al Gore

Dick Cheney

Mike Wilson

Rudy Bentz

Heal Online

Margaret Wilson

Revenge Fantasy Girlz

Diddle

Robert Hess

Ajax13.

[Anne Bonney]

I agree with Danny that its not right to obsess over this guy and his son who committed suicide.

It's not obsession....more like we're just astounded that someone would have the gall to make money off of a program that not only didn't help this poor kid (Reuben's son), but I would argue, knowing what we all do about Aspen, that it greatly contributed to his despair.  Honestly, that astounds me.  I can't describe it any other way.  The disgusting nature of turning your own child's death into a business, even to the extent of using his obit to market said business.....sorry, I can't fathom it.

 You guys had your fun of outing me and trying to make people think you knew who I was, but its over.

Make up your mind.....did "we" "out" you or not?

Try to have some decency,  these attacks on him really make you look bad.

A father turning his child's death into a money making machine really makes that parent look bad.

When and If you guys are interested in the issues of the TTI then I will be willing to respond in kind.

                 

[Whooter]

I agree with Danny that its not right to obsess over this guy and his son who committed suicide.

It's not obsession....more like we're just astounded that someone would have the gall to make money off of a program that not only didn't help this poor kid (Reuben's son), but I would argue, knowing what we all do about Aspen, that it greatly contributed to his despair.  Honestly, that astounds me.  I can't describe it any other way.  The disgusting nature of turning your own child's death into a business, even to the extent of using his obit to market said business.....sorry, I can't fathom it.

I believe he had two children that attended programs.  One went to ASR and the other to HLA.  One of the children committed suicide years after graduation.  It appears that the school helped this child if you read his BIO.  If you are trying to relate the boys suicide to the school I am not sure how this can be done.  The child may have had issues prior to attending (which is probable) and the school help him coup with these... he graduated and was successful and then committed suicide years later.  There could have been many contributing factors.. mother dying, girlfriend, depression, depression medication  etc.

Make up your mind.....did "we" "out" you or not?

I have been outed several times as several different people... but to answer your question.. no none of them were me.

A father turning his child's death into a money making machine really makes that parent look bad.

This is very common to try to help other children when you have lost your own.  He has built a non profit to assist families who cannot afford to send their children to get help.  How can that possibly make someone look bad.



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[Troll Control]

Just as a side note...STICC has taken in hundreds of thousands of dollars to "help kids" but do you know how many they actually "helped"?  Three.  Three kids in six years of operation, yet they keep raking in the donations.  Smells like a fraud to me.