New Fornits Rules/Constitution [Ratified]

[SEKTO]

As long as it's not sockpuppetry --

One man's prose ... is another man's sock puppet. How are ya gonna differentiate?

Same poster, two or more accounts, same thread.  Exceptions apply to obvious parody with the same standard as the impersonation rule.

Unless you got a better test, I think that would work.

Mmm. Sounds mighty nit-pickity. I guess my point was: why even bother putting yourself in the position of having to judge?

Too many rules ... spoil the discussion.

Too many trolls and drama whores also spoil the discussion, in fact prevent any real discussion from happening in the first place.

[Che Gookin]

Or.. rather than discuss it.. Do an IP check and just nuke the fucker.

No discussion needed.

Killin' time.

Not everything needs to be discussed over and over and over again. We have this damn thing, now go friggin use it or shut up about it.

[Whooter]

Do you think that maybe someone should be assigned to help people through this transition?  Maybe like a sponsor.   I can think of one or two posters who will be wandering aimlessly in the Drama Box building John D Reuben threads for many months.



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[Ursus]

Or.. rather than discuss it.. Do an IP check and just nuke the fucker.

No discussion needed.

Killin' time.

Not everything needs to be discussed over and over and over again.

Yeah, that's kinda similar to my mind about the whole thing too. I also think judicious use of temporary banning, when and only if absolutely needed, is far healthier, for all concerned, than all this rigamarole with "rules."

We have this damn thing, now go friggin use it or shut up about it.

When you refer to "this damn thing," do you mean the "list of rules?"

[psy]

Rules are important to prevent subjectivity.  Subjective judgements inevitably lead to bias, or at the very least, the perception of bias which is just as bad.

[Froderik]

Or.. rather than discuss it.. Do an IP check and just nuke the fucker.

No discussion needed.

Killin' time.

Not everything needs to be discussed over and over and over again. We have this damn thing, now go friggin use it or shut up about it.

 :tup:

[Che Gookin]

What I'm saying is if you are going to put in a bunch of rules, go enforce them without much bullshit attached to them. The biggest problem you have psy and this isn't a criticism of you in general either, but when it is time to act you get bogged down in a bunch of meaningless debate. You have gotten much better about this over the last couple of years, I'll give you that.

For now, debating time is over, go act.

If anyone has an objection or complaint, make them do it in private.  These rules aren't meant to be a democracy, therefore, there is no need for a lengthy public discussion on every single enforcement of them. There is a time and place for that discussion to be sure, but as an everyday sort of thing, absolutely not.

Because these new rules are going to be nothing more than an ongoing source of drama for a select few forum drama queens who are going to want to undermine them through forcing you to apply them.

[SEKTO]

What I'm saying is if you are going to put in a bunch of rules, go enforce them without much bullshit attached to them. The biggest problem you have psy and this isn't a criticism of you in general either, but when it is time to act you get bogged down in a bunch of meaningless debate. You have gotten much better about this over the last couple of years, I'll give you that.

For now, debating time is over, go act.

If anyone has an objection or complaint, make them do it in private.  These rules aren't meant to be a democracy, therefore, there is no need for a lengthy public discussion on every single enforcement of them. There is a time and place for that discussion to be sure, but as an everyday sort of thing, absolutely not.

Because these new rules are going to be nothing more than an ongoing source of drama for a select few forum drama queens who are going to want to undermine them through forcing you to apply them.

Meaningless debate is right.  When it's all said and done, far more is being said here than is actually being done.

If you're going to make rules, enforce them and make them count for something.  Otherwise, it's all talk and nothing gets accomplished.

[psy]

The rules will be enforced when they're violated.  Feel free to use the report function to fill out a report of you feel a violation has occurred and the mods missed it.

[DannyB II]

Psy, are we going to still allow a member to post under another members username, example DannyB II with the "male pic" posting under my user name, with the intent to discredit me.

Actually think you have a point. I've been impersonated.  Ursus has been impersonated.  I think that unless an impersonation of another poster should be disallowed (except, of course, in Open Free for All), and impersonation of a living person who is not a poster should only be allowed if it is obvious parody (example: Miller Newton or Dr. Fucktard.).  I think the standard is this: if a reasonable person could mistake the identity to be that of the parodied, it's a violation.

I would think this behavior would fall under one of these rules.
No one should be allowed to infringe on anothers personal domain, even here. Is there not a way to stop this upon registering, as is the case with other sites, if the user name already exists you can not use it.

Danny B 11's username is not the same. he uses elevens instead of "I"'s.  It's close enough to be considered a violation.  *however* if Danny B 11 wants, I can add a "parody" label under the username.  That would make it permissible.

Well I am so happy that my friends Ursus, Che and Shaggy made time on a Friday night to shed some light on this issue. I find this impostor to be offensive boys, now if y'all know me, this should be ironic because I can be down right nasty when I want to be but I try to keep myself visible and on the up and up.. Meaning I use my name unlike any of you (oh, I know smart people)and you have my phone number.
The  Marquess of Queensberry rules fellas fight but fight fair. Shaggy I don't cry, I usually make folks do that. Using someone username is lowdown/ just not fair. This is personal, it is my name.
Psy not to be a picky but I would rather he find another name and stop impersonating me with fallacious remarks. I have had folks ask me if this is me, it has already had a negative impact.

[SEKTO]

The rules will be enforced when they're violated.  Feel free to use the report function to fill out a report of you feel a violation has occurred and the mods missed it.

No discussion needed, yep.

Let me if and how I can help and I am on board.

[DannyB II]

I for one believe Psy and Ginger have done well, they really did not want to get this involved but folks who have been here for years think they are entitled to a different set of rules, quanity of time does not equal quality of the time you have had. I have been here almost a year and I am ashamed to say the same person pushing Psy right now to act, has been instigating and causing more problems on more threads then he should. I can only believe he does this out of sense of entitlement and arrogance. Fornits owes you nothing, you are always in debt to fornits.
Stand down old timers, everything changes usually for the better and ease up on the steering wheel. It was always a fantasy anyway that you were driving the vehicle.

[SEKTO]

Or.. rather than discuss it.. Do an IP check and just nuke the fucker.

No discussion needed.

Killin' time.

Not everything needs to be discussed over and over and over again. We have this damn thing, now go friggin use it or shut up about it.

Damn straight.  Fuck all the bullshit.

[DannyB II]

As I said, I believe many folks here who have been posting for years will be in for a big surprise. Your actions will no longer be tolerated. I have always wanted fairness, I believe it is coming and not the way many of you think.
Goading members into a fight for the sake of banishment will not be tolerated and using your status or position to ban someone will not be tolerated.
Just remember, "Damn straight. Fuck all the bullshit." is not exactly what the admins had in mind when they went ahead and made these changes, there is a larger vision here.

[Che Gookin]

This post was made by DannyB II who is currently on your ignore list. Display this post.

The above is an example of Danny's eloquence and brilliance at work. My hat is off to you, all of a smidge, but none the less it's off.