How to really survive a treatment program

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Paul St. John]

I suppose I would call it a form of abuse.  My point is that if you ask a counselor, if they saw abuse, and they say, " No.", they probably mean that they never saw any physical abuse.  That, which, I explained is referred to as " Tough Love", or "treatment".

There was a real psychologist in the building.  She never took part in any of this.  She actually seemed to be a very nice person one on one, but she knew about it, and every so often ever observed.

But this is the way things were, and everyone in the building understood that.  The teachers were nice people too, but the counselors were boss, and this is the way shit went.

There were 5 counselors, and an administator, when I started there.. In the time I was there, 2 had left, and 2 had come from other facilities to replace them.. They were all more or less the same.

The  new ones, I actually overheard making fun of shit that kids in another Daytop had said in group. Some of these counselors had different types of training and degrees, but they all had one thing in common.  They had been through the program themselves, and were put through even worse shit, then they were putting us through.

But, judging by your responses, Whooter, it is nice to know, you are not a heartless asshole.

Paul

[DannyB II]

I really don't see why you are getting so defensive with respect to your own advice. What exactly do you think I am 'goading' you into saying?

Awake you appear to be a intelligent person, just ask the question, why play games.

[Awake]

I really don't see why you are getting so defensive with respect to your own advice. What exactly do you think I am 'goading' you into saying?

Awake you appear to be a intelligent person, just ask the question, why play games.

Who here is not playing games?

[Awake]

Is the TTI a game that a child has to play? If you can't make a child want, really want, therapy, doesn't it become a game that must be played, the therapy game?

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Froderik]

I really don't see why you are getting so defensive with respect to your own advice. What exactly do you think I am 'goading' you into saying?

Awake you appear to be a intelligent person, just ask the question, why play games.

Who here is not playing games?

:notworthy:

[DannyB II]

I'm going to do you a favor and not respond. I am sure you have better things to do, as do I, than enter into a personal tit for tat, dysfunctional junctino style argument. I have posted my ideas and arguments regarding how to advise a teen entering treatment. If you feel the need to criticize my advice, for whatever reason, you are free to do so in this thread.

No, it is not a personal tit for tat argument, that is not what’s happening.  You are offering your thinking and I am challenging it, it’s about ideas, not about you.  I haven’t done anything inappropriate here, we are exploring your concept, and I belive your stance disintegrates in the face of your own prescription.  I’m interested in seeing how it would play out, but if it makes you uncomfortable I can’t keep you here, unlike a program teen.

  It’s really not a personal thing at all, just an opportunity to learn what we can really expect from it.


A teen in a program does not have the chance to 'not respond' . What would happen if you had to respond?

Hey Awake, since I really have no manners for "condescending pseudo-intellectual low self-esteem trolls" that go around taking their degrees and trying to force them down peoples throat, why don't you go try and make a living with your spiel somewhere else. Your scientific chemistry class of the physic Double Bind needs to be studied more, why don't cha take care of that. Instead of fucking with us working class folk who went through treatment and know something about it from the ground level.
Your posts show you have no clue as to what the solution is and more to do with the problem.
Oh and btw tell Ursus,Inculcate and the Admins that this act you have going here, smells of them, talk about conspiracies.
Where do they get you folks.
Quit fucking with people you don't agree with or better yet don't agree with you.
Also stop acting like your trying to help, it is blasphemy.

[Froderik]

Hey Awake, since I really have no manners for "condescending pseudo-intellectual low self-esteem trolls" that go around taking their degrees and trying to force them down peoples throat, why don't you go try and make a living with your spiel somewhere else. Your scientific chemistry class of the physic Double Bind needs to be studied more, why don't cha take care of that. Instead of fucking with us working class folk who went through treatment and know something about it from the ground level.
Your posts show you have no clue as to what the solution is and more to do with the problem.
Oh and btw tell Ursus,Inculcate and the Admins that this act you have going here, smells of them, talk about conspiracies.
Where do they get you folks.
Quit fucking with people you don't agree with or better yet don't agree with you.
Also stop acting like your trying to help, it is blasphemy.

:rofl:

[Awake]

I'm going to do you a favor and not respond. I am sure you have better things to do, as do I, than enter into a personal tit for tat, dysfunctional junctino style argument. I have posted my ideas and arguments regarding how to advise a teen entering treatment. If you feel the need to criticize my advice, for whatever reason, you are free to do so in this thread.

No, it is not a personal tit for tat argument, that is not what’s happening.  You are offering your thinking and I am challenging it, it’s about ideas, not about you.  I haven’t done anything inappropriate here, we are exploring your concept, and I belive your stance disintegrates in the face of your own prescription.  I’m interested in seeing how it would play out, but if it makes you uncomfortable I can’t keep you here, unlike a program teen.

  It’s really not a personal thing at all, just an opportunity to learn what we can really expect from it.


A teen in a program does not have the chance to 'not respond' . What would happen if you had to respond?

Hey Awake, since I really have no manners for "condescending pseudo-intellectual low self-esteem trolls" that go around taking their degrees and trying to force them down peoples throat, why don't you go try and make a living with your spiel somewhere else. Your scientific chemistry class of the physic Double Bind needs to be studied more, why don't cha take care of that. Instead of fucking with us working class folk who went through treatment and know something about it from the ground level.
Your posts show you have no clue as to what the solution is and more to do with the problem.
Oh and btw tell Ursus,Inculcate and the Admins that this act you have going here, smells of them, talk about conspiracies.
Where do they get you folks.
Quit fucking with people you don't agree with or better yet don't agree with you.
Also stop acting like your trying to help, it is blasphemy.

You're wrong about me Danny.


Double Bind: Mind Control in the TTI
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423&start=0

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Ursus]

Hey Awake, since I really have no manners for "condescending pseudo-intellectual low self-esteem trolls" that go around taking their degrees and trying to force them down peoples throat, why don't you go try and make a living with your spiel somewhere else. Your scientific chemistry class of the physic Double Bind needs to be studied more, why don't cha take care of that. Instead of fucking with us working class folk who went through treatment and know something about it from the ground level.
Your posts show you have no clue as to what the solution is and more to do with the problem.
Oh and btw tell Ursus,Inculcate and the Admins that this act you have going here, smells of them, talk about conspiracies.
Where do they get you folks.
Quit fucking with people you don't agree with or better yet don't agree with you.
Also stop acting like your trying to help, it is blasphemy.

:rofl:

Yah. I knew it was only a matter of time ... when I first read these posts in the DOUBLE BIND: Mind Control in the TTI thread:

Originally posted on 15 May 2010 17:54:

This is some of the best reading I have seem
Thanks for the insight of how these places and the ppl who run them work.

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

I second that, WTF2. Awake has been a inspiration.

Danny

Originally posted on 27 May 2010 21:33:

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

This intermediately had a impact on my life. Not that I did not know what it is your writing about here I just did not have a name for it.  "Double Bind", it is so perfect.
Thanks awake again....

Danny

Originally posted on 13 Jun 2010 10:56:

Sorry I was a little late in moving my post here it is:
Awake you make it all sound so simple like you get it and the thousands of professionals in and out of the TTI don't. This is a amazing analysis, Double Bind. It is a model for the Program I attended yet I seriously don't believe that Joe Ricci or Dr. Gerald Davidson understood or where cognizant of, the complexities of this method/manipulation of communication, no way. They did not know this is what was going on nor the power of it (neither did I).
Now I have a little brain here and I will try to ask the questions I have been wanting to ask since this came about. Here is a comment you made above, "A better approach to understanding it is to ask the question ‘how does the TTI not represent a double bind context"? Please explain. Another question what happens when all the examples are not met you mentioned above and the program is not forcing you to do the behavioral modification exercises but rather Teaching. Isn't being taught optional in it's essence, you (the projectipant) decide.

danny

P.S. I am also posting this on the Double Bind thread.

[DannyB II]

Is the TTI a game that a child has to play? If you can't make a child want, really want, therapy, doesn't it become a game that must be played, the therapy game?

Ya know what Awake, I used to take you seriously and now your falling and falling fast. You make wholesale statements, lump everything together, talk about just one form of TTI, like it is part of a larger conspiracy.
No, everything here or in the TTI is not a joke, actually it is very serious business, especially if your a student/resident, parent or a part of the TTI in any way.
Now you want to make this up to me, "suck it" and Whooter??? Become more flexible in conversations.

[Awake]

Is the TTI a game that a child has to play? If you can't make a child want, really want, therapy, doesn't it become a game that must be played, the therapy game?

Ya know what Awake, I used to take you seriously and now your falling and falling fast. You make wholesale statements, lump everything together, talk about just one form of TTI, like it is part of a larger conspiracy.
No, everything here or in the TTI is not a joke, actually it is very serious business, especially if your a student/resident, parent or a part of the TTI in any way.
Now you want to make this up to me, "suck it" and Whooter??? Become more flexible in conversations.

What about my ideas can't you take seriously? I am very serious about what I'm saying.


viewtopic.php?f=9&t=30423&start=0

[DannyB II]

Hey Awake, since I really have no manners for "condescending pseudo-intellectual low self-esteem trolls" that go around taking their degrees and trying to force them down peoples throat, why don't you go try and make a living with your spiel somewhere else. Your scientific chemistry class of the physic Double Bind needs to be studied more, why don't cha take care of that. Instead of fucking with us working class folk who went through treatment and know something about it from the ground level.
Your posts show you have no clue as to what the solution is and more to do with the problem.
Oh and btw tell Ursus,Inculcate and the Admins that this act you have going here, smells of them, talk about conspiracies.
Where do they get you folks.
Quit fucking with people you don't agree with or better yet don't agree with you.
Also stop acting like your trying to help, it is blasphemy.

:rofl:

Yah. I knew it was only a matter of time ... when I first read these posts in the DOUBLE BIND: Mind Control in the TTI thread:

Originally posted on 15 May 2010 17:54:

This is some of the best reading I have seem
Thanks for the insight of how these places and the ppl who run them work.

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

I second that, WTF2. Awake has been a inspiration.

Danny

Originally posted on 27 May 2010 21:33:

:shamrock:  :shamrock:

This intermediately had a impact on my life. Not that I did not know what it is your writing about here I just did not have a name for it.  "Double Bind", it is so perfect.
Thanks awake again....

Danny

Originally posted on 13 Jun 2010 10:56:

Sorry I was a little late in moving my post here it is:
Awake you make it all sound so simple like you get it and the thousands of professionals in and out of the TTI don't. This is a amazing analysis, Double Bind. It is a model for the Program I attended yet I seriously don't believe that Joe Ricci or Dr. Gerald Davidson understood or where cognizant of, the complexities of this method/manipulation of communication, no way. They did not know this is what was going on nor the power of it (neither did I).
Now I have a little brain here and I will try to ask the questions I have been wanting to ask since this came about. Here is a comment you made above, "A better approach to understanding it is to ask the question ‘how does the TTI not represent a double bind context"? Please explain. Another question what happens when all the examples are not met you mentioned above and the program is not forcing you to do the behavioral modification exercises but rather Teaching. Isn't being taught optional in it's essence, you (the projectipant) decide.

danny

P.S. I am also posting this on the Double Bind thread.

Jeesh Ursus , At any time here in the near future are you going to grow up and act like a big boy or are you just comfortable being a stooge.
One has nothing to do with the other my kneejerky, copy, posty, and pasty buddy.
I am not criticizing her double bind post, you idiot.