How to really survive a treatment program

[SUCK IT]

There's some really bullshit advice being passed off on this forum. Most of the people here went to treatment programs 20 or 30 years ago, and pass off their knowledge to teens as if contemporary programs are clones of these long shuttered memories of the past. The past is very much kept alive here on fornits, however, as these people suggest that kids entering into today's safer program will have an experience similar to theirs. This is a selfish attitude to have, especially since so few people post here it is obvious that the negative expreinces are in the very slim minority. Nevertheless I feel the urge to counter their bullshit with some real common sense advice that will better serve you in your newfound path of entering treatment.

Step 1. Be honest with yourself about why you are going to treatment. If you can get real with yourself before you even get there all the better, because a lot of time will be spent simply getting someone to honestly accept the fact they have issues. Just like in prison everybody is innocent, so it goes in treatment programs the world over, everybody is innocent and has no idea why they have randomly ended up in a treamtnet center. Adult, teens, it doesn't matter, treatment centers share this same, mysterious phenomenon of innocence. But eventually people realize it's in their own best interests to be honest. Instead of wasting time, show up honest and ready to work and it will help you out tremendously.

Step 2. Humble yourself. The people here are arrogant especially people like Dysfunction Junction who claim that people need to be PhD in science to work at a treatment facility. Just because people seem young or inexperienced don't dismiss their advice and experience. Within the context of treatment education means little and being arrogant and thinking you can fake it and be smarter than everyone else will not make it any better. You will simply remain detached from everyone else in your self imposed bubble of lies always worried it might pop at any moment, and pop this bubble of lies will, eventually. And at that moment you will have a personal reckoning in front of your so called friends whom you might have lied to their faces to keep insulated in the safety of non disclosure as advised. will they forgive you? You will have to wait and see, or take an honest path and you will not ever have to wonder.

Step 3. Be ready to receive help. If you are open to change you will have a wonderful challenge and life changing positive experience. Think about inspirational emotional drama movies, they always must overcome challenges in the beginning to finally shine at the end. This is the same in treatment. So if you can get yourself prepared that you are indeed going to change for the better you can have the right mindset about where you are headed when you get there. You can hunker down in your beliefs as people advise here, hold tight to the destructive behaviors and thoughts that lead to being compelled to go to treatment, or you can realize this way did not work and so it's time to change. If you are open to change you will have a much better experience. Even if you are cynical and just want to get out quicker, this way you will surely get out quicker and you can make friends and be treated with respect. If you take the advice here and disrespect everybody in treatment the experience will probably be negative, but this is your choice if you want it to be this way. Choose positivity!


Overall I think this is a good place to get started on some realistic advice. The advice offered on this forum by the extremists who would have you sacrifice your honesty and dignity and make a charade of yourself and treatment is wrong. If you want to complete treatment as a positive experience it is possible but it's all in your attitude. If you have a positive attitude and open yourself to change than you will have a wonderful time like so many people do.

[Awake]

I certainly understand all that. 'Trust the process' ' be open' 'go for it'.  How else is therapy supposed to work?  


So share your feelings with us SUCK IT? What's going on with you?

[Awake]

There's some really bullshit advice being passed off on this forum. Most of the people here went to treatment programs 20 or 30 years ago, and pass off their knowledge to teens as if contemporary programs are clones of these long shuttered memories of the past. The past is very much kept alive here on fornits, however, as these people suggest that kids entering into today's safer program will have an experience similar to theirs. This is a selfish attitude to have, especially since so few people post here it is obvious that the negative expreinces are in the very slim minority. Nevertheless I feel the urge to counter their bullshit with some real common sense advice that will better serve you in your newfound path of entering treatment.

Step 1. Be honest with yourself about why you are going to treatment. If you can get real with yourself before you even get there all the better, because a lot of time will be spent simply getting someone to honestly accept the fact they have issues. Just like in prison everybody is innocent, so it goes in treatment programs the world over, everybody is innocent and has no idea why they have randomly ended up in a treamtnet center. Adult, teens, it doesn't matter, treatment centers share this same, mysterious phenomenon of innocence. But eventually people realize it's in their own best interests to be honest. Instead of wasting time, show up honest and ready to work and it will help you out tremendously.

Step 2. Humble yourself. The people here are arrogant especially people like Dysfunction Junction who claim that people need to be PhD in science to work at a treatment facility. Just because people seem young or inexperienced don't dismiss their advice and experience. Within the context of treatment education means little and being arrogant and thinking you can fake it and be smarter than everyone else will not make it any better. You will simply remain detached from everyone else in your self imposed bubble of lies always worried it might pop at any moment, and pop this bubble of lies will, eventually. And at that moment you will have a personal reckoning in front of your so called friends whom you might have lied to their faces to keep insulated in the safety of non disclosure as advised. will they forgive you? You will have to wait and see, or take an honest path and you will not ever have to wonder.

Step 3. Be ready to receive help. If you are open to change you will have a wonderful challenge and life changing positive experience. Think about inspirational emotional drama movies, they always must overcome challenges in the beginning to finally shine at the end. This is the same in treatment. So if you can get yourself prepared that you are indeed going to change for the better you can have the right mindset about where you are headed when you get there. You can hunker down in your beliefs as people advise here, hold tight to the destructive behaviors and thoughts that lead to being compelled  to go to treatment, or you can realize this way did not work and so it's time to change. If you are open to change you will have a much better experience. Even if you are cynical and just want to get out quicker, this way you will surely get out quicker and you can make friends and be treated with respect. If you take the advice here and disrespect everybody in treatment the experience will probably be negative, but this is your choice if you want it to be this way. Choose positivity!


Overall I think this is a good place to get started on some realistic advice. The advice offered on this forum by the extremists who would have you sacrifice your honesty and dignity and make a charade of yourself and treatment is wrong. If you want to complete treatment as a positive experience it is possible but it's all in your attitude. If you have a positive attitude and open yourself to change than you will have a wonderful time like so many people do.

Really SUCK IT, listen to your advice for those going into a program.  I  can tell there is a lot more to you than what you show us around here. I want to be a part of your growth, so open up.  Let us know a little bit about who SUCK IT really is?

[Awake]

SUCK IT, are you going to deny that those were the words you posted? What does this make you? Do you feel good about that?

[Awake]

There's some really bullshit advice being passed off on this forum. Most of the people here went to treatment programs 20 or 30 years ago, and pass off their knowledge to teens as if contemporary programs are clones of these long shuttered memories of the past. The past is very much kept alive here on fornits, however, as these people suggest that kids entering into today's safer program will have an experience similar to theirs. This is a selfish attitude to have, especially since so few people post here it is obvious that the negative expreinces are in the very slim minority. Nevertheless I feel the urge to counter their bullshit with some real common sense advice that will better serve you in your newfound path of entering treatment.

Step 1. Be honest with yourself about why you are going to treatment. If you can get real with yourself before you even get there all the better, because a lot of time will be spent simply getting someone to honestly accept the fact they have issues. Just like in prison everybody is innocent, so it goes in treatment programs the world over, everybody is innocent and has no idea why they have randomly ended up in a treamtnet center. Adult, teens, it doesn't matter, treatment centers share this same, mysterious phenomenon of innocence. But eventually people realize it's in their own best interests to be honest. Instead of wasting time, show up honest and ready to work and it will help you out tremendously.

Step 2. Humble yourself. The people here are arrogant especially people like Dysfunction Junction who claim that people need to be PhD in science to work at a treatment facility. Just because people seem young or inexperienced don't dismiss their advice and experience. Within the context of treatment education means little and being arrogant and thinking you can fake it and be smarter than everyone else will not make it any better. You will simply remain detached from everyone else in your self imposed bubble of lies always worried it might pop at any moment, and pop this bubble of lies will, eventually. And at that moment you will have a personal reckoning in front of your so called friends whom you might have lied to their faces to keep insulated in the safety of non disclosure as advised. will they forgive you? You will have to wait and see, or take an honest path and you will not ever have to wonder.

Step 3. Be ready to receive help. If you are open to change you will have a wonderful challenge and life changing positive experience. Think about inspirational emotional drama movies, they always must overcome challenges in the beginning to finally shine at the end. This is the same in treatment. So if you can get yourself prepared that you are indeed going to change for the better you can have the right mindset about where you are headed when you get there. You can hunker down in your beliefs as people advise here, hold tight to the destructive behaviors and thoughts that lead to being compelled  to go to treatment, or you can realize this way did not work and so it's time to change. If you are open to change you will have a much better experience. Even if you are cynical and just want to get out quicker, this way you will surely get out quicker and you can make friends and be treated with respect. If you take the advice here and disrespect everybody in treatment the experience will probably be negative, but this is your choice if you want it to be this way. Choose positivity!


Overall I think this is a good place to get started on some realistic advice. The advice offered on this forum by the extremists who would have you sacrifice your honesty and dignity and make a charade of yourself and treatment is wrong. If you want to complete treatment as a positive experience it is possible but it's all in your attitude. If you have a positive attitude and open yourself to change than you will have a wonderful time like so many people do.

Really SUCK IT, listen to your advice for those going into a program.  I  can tell there is a lot more to you than what you show us around here. I want to be a part of your growth, so open up.  Let us know a little bit about who SUCK IT really is?

This is how you started the thread SUCK IT. I’m here to help you. Get honest.

[Troll Control]

SUCK IT, are you going to deny that those were the words you posted? What does this make you? Do you feel good about that?

He "pulled a Whooter" and deleted the post.  You have to QFT this weasel.

[Froderik]

WOW.

[Pile of Dead Kids]

No, it's not quite like Whooter. SUCK IT has occasional moments of clarity in which he goes "What the fuck did I just write?!" and deletes it. I feel that we should encourage these moments of clarity and hope that they last longer.

[SUCK IT]

You have to QFT this weasel.

No need, I edited it back in just for you. I don't want to be responsible for making you upset.

[SUCK IT]

No, it's not quite like Whooter. SUCK IT has occasional moments of clarity in which he goes "What the fuck did I just write?!" and deletes it. I feel that we should encourage these moments of clarity and hope that they last longer.

Well... not really. I thought it wasn't that well written and kind of confusing. I was going to re write it again with better advice and more clearly written and understandable. But since people are so interested in it, aparently, I'll let this one stand as well. I'll post the new one soon enough when I have time to work on it.

[Samara]

Responses to Suck It's Advice to Survivors. Suck It's advice in bold.


Step 1. Be honest with yourself about why you are going to treatment.

Most of the people I know who were sent to programs don't white wash their personality traits. I was always honest when asked a direct question by authority figures. If there was a consequence to that, I took it. I didn't blame someone else. In fact, many survivors I have met were honest and non compliant. It's the lack of compliance that people have an issue with.

Being honest with yourself is always a good thing. Unfortunately, I did not see this promoted in the program.  You can't be honest and be inculcated at the same time.  You can't expect people to be honest when you are being humiliated and badgered into coerced "confessions" and storylines. I say story lines because propheets demand that you adopt a "truth" but the "truth" is dictated.  

The last thing many programs are about is honesty - fiduciary, academic, or therapeutic on a systemic level.

Also, don't assume that everyone sent to a program is dishonest. Criminalizing youths by labeling them dishonest is tactical. This ensures that their voices are discredited.   Repeatedly, I have read posts where you paint all survivors with the same brush. All dishonest criminals who deserve it....  The problem is that many of these kids are NOT "bad" and none of them deserve unethical treatment  based on cult "therapy" and degradation.

I did not attend CEDU because I was a drug user, vandal, or liar. (All of these things, by the way, fairly normal in the teen age population. TCI would be glutted if they had to take all kids who fit this definition.)  The issues I had I desperately wanted help for - I sure as hell didn't get it at CEDU.  CEDU was exacerbating. The level of psychic manipulation that occurs there at a pivotal time in development had a far reaching if insidious effect. Was I drug addict afterward? No. Did I matriculate to higher education? Yes. Do I have a "respectable" career? Yes. Was I ever hospitalized? No. BUT THIS IS A RESUME THAT JUST LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER.  I and many others have struggled mightily reconciling CEDU's warped infrastructure against the real world.


Step 2. Humble yourself.
Wouldn't it be great if humility was a virtue of the program? Unfortunately, CEDU and many other existing programs are based on Humiliation, not humility. Big difference.

Maybe you can embrace this credo yourself by considering the possibility that many people (most I know off Fornits) were damaged by programs. Many were brainwashed and could not begin to unravel it until they were adults with more life experience.  I am sorry you do not have the compassion to understand, but it is offensive to belittle these experiences.

Step 3. Be ready to receive help.

You know, when I was a kid, there were so many adults who I wished would "be ready" to stop alcoholic rages and "be ready" to stop abusing, but unfortunately, this did not happen on demand.

Also, we all could use a little help and support at times, but it is good to exercise discretion and be critical consumers of our support needs.  Sometimes we need a good hard look; sometimes its love and acceptance; and sometimes, its the people who would send you away who need to "be ready."  

In any event, you are ready when you are ready. You can't just "be ready" on someone else's time table. Readiness is a product of learning experience and maturity.

[Awake]

Thanks for your honesty SUCK IT. So what's going on with you right now?

[Froderik]

So what's going on with you right now?

::puke::  God, that phrase... did other programs use it, too?

[Joel]

Edited: Wednesday, October 06, 2010

[Awake]

I don’t know what you guys are talking about. I’m just asking SUCK IT a question, and give him/her an opportunity to demonstrate why they support this advice to teens going to programs.  I’m not using tactics here, I’m trying to help SUCK IT grow.  You won’t find me doing anything that can be considered unethical, so don’t be afraid to open up to me SUCK IT.

So what’s up SUCK IT? I want to hear.