Academy at Sisters

[photo man]

Whooter what do you mean by "old ways."  Drinking?  Running away?   :beat:

[Academy at Sisters]

Academy at Sisters is a cultic gulag which tortures and brainwashes its captives.

About brainwashing and systemic abuse at Academy at Sisters:

Academy at Sisters abuse » 26 Nov 2009, 22:53

I feel I have to post in case there are some parents considering the Academy at Sisters (Bend, Oregon) as an alternative to MBA. My ex-husband put my daughter at the Academy at Sisters and while I am fairly certain they did not do the lap dancing and other forms of sexual role playing, they did engage in other forms of abuse mentioned at MBA. For instance, they will take away school credits and/or remove the student from the public school some of the students get to attend (Bend High School). In my daughters case this was done one week before finals because she made negative comments about the Academy to her father who was fully and completely brainwashed. This frequently happens before a girl is to graduate either from the program or high school in order to keep them longer. They also will force students to be isolated - either in solitary confinement or by not permitting them to interact with the other girls around them. For more than a month my daughter was not allowed to talk to the other girls or eat with them at mealtimes. The Academy even went so far as to tell the other Academy girls who attended Bend High School with my daughter that they had to ignore her and not acknowledge her while she was at school. Why a public high school puts up with shunning is beyond me but it is done frequently. On occasions they ask the girls to disclose embarrassing things about themselves to the group. Privacy and respect are nonexistent. They also have "feedback," that common form of abuse where they can only say "thank you" as all the other girls and staff tell you anything and everything negative about you they can come up with. Since the only way a girl can move up levels and get privledges is by snitching on the other students they will make up complete lies if they have to. The point of all this is that I am sure parents of Mt. Bachelor students are probably looking at alternatives for their kids who have been messed up by their experiences at MBA and can't return home. The Academy at Sisters is not the answer. I would imagine most programs are probably equally as abusive so all I can suggest is that you get a good therapist and maybe find a family member or friend the kid can live with for awhile. They get out of these programs very angry and need a lot of time, space and support to get acclimated to the real world. I was not prepared for the anger I saw when my daughter ran away a couple of weeks before her 18th birthday and was disowned by her father for a period of time. It has taken a couple of years to get to the point where she we no longer has nightmares about the place and she has been able to put it behind her.Academy at Sisters abuse

[Whooter]

Academy at Sisters is a cultic gulag which tortures and brainwashes its captives.

About brainwashing and systemic abuse at Academy at Sisters:

Academy at Sisters abuse » 26 Nov 2009, 22:53

I feel I have to post in case there are some parents considering the Academy at Sisters (Bend, Oregon) as an alternative to MBA. My ex-husband put my daughter at the Academy at Sisters and while I am fairly certain they did not do the lap dancing and other forms of sexual role playing, they did engage in other forms of abuse mentioned at MBA. For instance, they will take away school credits and/or remove the student from the public school some of the students get to attend (Bend High School). In my daughters case this was done one week before finals because she made negative comments about the Academy to her father who was fully and completely brainwashed. This frequently happens before a girl is to graduate either from the program or high school in order to keep them longer. They also will force students to be isolated - either in solitary confinement or by not permitting them to interact with the other girls around them. For more than a month my daughter was not allowed to talk to the other girls or eat with them at mealtimes. The Academy even went so far as to tell the other Academy girls who attended Bend High School with my daughter that they had to ignore her and not acknowledge her while she was at school. Why a public high school puts up with shunning is beyond me but it is done frequently. On occasions they ask the girls to disclose embarrassing things about themselves to the group. Privacy and respect are nonexistent. They also have "feedback," that common form of abuse where they can only say "thank you" as all the other girls and staff tell you anything and everything negative about you they can come up with. Since the only way a girl can move up levels and get privledges is by snitching on the other students they will make up complete lies if they have to. The point of all this is that I am sure parents of Mt. Bachelor students are probably looking at alternatives for their kids who have been messed up by their experiences at MBA and can't return home. The Academy at Sisters is not the answer. I would imagine most programs are probably equally as abusive so all I can suggest is that you get a good therapist and maybe find a family member or friend the kid can live with for awhile. They get out of these programs very angry and need a lot of time, space and support to get acclimated to the real world. I was not prepared for the anger I saw when my daughter ran away a couple of weeks before her 18th birthday and was disowned by her father for a period of time. It has taken a couple of years to get to the point where she we no longer has nightmares about the place and she has been able to put it behind her.Academy at Sisters abuse

Do you have a link to the original?  I wasnt able to find this post in the database.  Thanks Academy at sisters



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No, thanks.  There's nothing I'd like to discuss with you.  My comments have nothing to do with parenting, they simpIy reflect your views on children and programs.  I just want Morgan's folks to know where you're coming from, because you sure as hell will just be blowing smoke up their asses, quoting phony statistics and falsifying your own "success" story.  It shouldn't bother you that I just post quotes of what you said.  If it does, maybe you shouldn't have said it, but you did.  

When you say children have no rights, it dovetails with your statements that you don't believe kids should have access to an abuse hotline independent of the facility to report any abuses (remember, you said they shouldn't have one because "the abuse hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids").  You stated they should be forced to report to their very own abusers, the program staff, which, of course, is pure lunacy.  This is just one of many of your views I will illustrate as I see fit by supplying Morgan's parents with your prior statements.  

Let's be real for a moment: You're not what you claim to be, and we here all know it, but they might need some help to figure it out.  As I have explained before, if your comments and recruitment efforts lead to even one kid being abused at the hands of programs you promote here, it will be a very, very sad day, as it's completely preventable if people know what your true reason for being here is, a financial interest in the TBS industry, where you have claimed "the real money is."  

So let's not play coy, shall we?

[Ursus]

@Whooter: that post was originally posted in one of the Mount Bachelor Academy threads by "Academy at Sisters abuse," shortly after MBA was effectively shut down, in case you are wondering re. context...

Academy at Sisters is a cultic gulag which tortures and brainwashes its captives.

About brainwashing and systemic abuse at Academy at Sisters:

Academy at Sisters abuse » 26 Nov 2009, 22:53

I feel I have to post in case there are some parents considering the Academy at Sisters (Bend, Oregon) as an alternative to MBA. My ex-husband put my daughter at the Academy at Sisters and while I am fairly certain they did not do the lap dancing and other forms of sexual role playing, they did engage in other forms of abuse mentioned at MBA. For instance, they will take away school credits and/or remove the student from the public school some of the students get to attend (Bend High School). In my daughters case this was done one week before finals because she made negative comments about the Academy to her father who was fully and completely brainwashed. This frequently happens before a girl is to graduate either from the program or high school in order to keep them longer. They also will force students to be isolated - either in solitary confinement or by not permitting them to interact with the other girls around them. For more than a month my daughter was not allowed to talk to the other girls or eat with them at mealtimes. The Academy even went so far as to tell the other Academy girls who attended Bend High School with my daughter that they had to ignore her and not acknowledge her while she was at school. Why a public high school puts up with shunning is beyond me but it is done frequently. On occasions they ask the girls to disclose embarrassing things about themselves to the group. Privacy and respect are nonexistent. They also have "feedback," that common form of abuse where they can only say "thank you" as all the other girls and staff tell you anything and everything negative about you they can come up with. Since the only way a girl can move up levels and get privledges is by snitching on the other students they will make up complete lies if they have to. The point of all this is that I am sure parents of Mt. Bachelor students are probably looking at alternatives for their kids who have been messed up by their experiences at MBA and can't return home. The Academy at Sisters is not the answer. I would imagine most programs are probably equally as abusive so all I can suggest is that you get a good therapist and maybe find a family member or friend the kid can live with for awhile. They get out of these programs very angry and need a lot of time, space and support to get acclimated to the real world. I was not prepared for the anger I saw when my daughter ran away a couple of weeks before her 18th birthday and was disowned by her father for a period of time. It has taken a couple of years to get to the point where she we no longer has nightmares about the place and she has been able to put it behind her.Academy at Sisters abuse

[Whooter]

No, thanks.  There's nothing I'd like to discuss with you.  My comments have nothing to do with parenting, they simpIy reflect your views on children and programs.  I just want Morgan's folks to know where you're coming from, because you sure as hell will just be blowing smoke up their asses, quoting phony statistics and falsifying your own "success" story.  It shouldn't bother you that I just post quotes of what you said.  If it does, maybe you shouldn't have said it, but you did.  

When you say children have no rights, it dovetails with your statements that you don't believe kids should have access to an abuse hotline independent of the facility to report any abuses (remember, you said they shouldn't have one because "the abuse hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids").  You stated they should be forced to report to their very own abusers, the program staff, which, of course, is pure lunacy.  This is just one of many of your views I will illustrate as I see fit by supplying Morgan's parents with your prior statements.  

Let's be real for a moment: You're not what you claim to be, and we here all know it, but they might need some help to figure it out.  As I have explained before, if your comments and recruitment efforts lead to even one kid being abused at the hands of programs you promote here, it will be a very, very sad day, as it's completely preventable if people know what your true reason for being here is, a financial interest in the TBS industry, where you have claimed "the real money is."  

So let's not play coy, shall we?

I think that you have a sickness, Dysfunction Junction, read your own posts and your footer.  It bugs you that I can speak openly about the good and bad sides of the industry, that my family had a good experience and your mind is set to speak only negative aspects of it.  

If you feel children should have rights prior to the age of 18 and decide their own fate then you should take it up with the government.  Dont take it out on every parent who shows up here trying to seek answers and derail each thread with your hatred.  Lets have respect for Morgan and her parents and keep the conversation towards helping them make the right decision and providing them with information and insight from our own experiences.



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[Ursus]

There are always good and bad situations to everything in life.  I'm not that BLIND as to not be aware of the history with some of the programs out there.  My husband and I both had the delightful pleasure of experiencing the possibility of being sent to a program in our youth.  We, too, went through many of the things my daughter is going through now.  We also know the path she is on and where it has the potential to go.  We are fortunate to be here today to tell about it.  I guess God had future plans for us - there are many scenarios we got ourselves into that could have ended our lives along time ago.

Just curious... which program or programs might that be? There were certainly fewer around during that time...

[Academy at Sisters]

Heres the link”

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=29113&p=352277&hilit=academy+sisters#p352277

The closed program discussed on that thread, Mount Bachelor Academy, operated from 1988 to 2010(could be off by a year or so) and is a CEDU spin off just like Academy at Sisters. So, it was in operation about 20 years before it was shut down for, among other things, forcing all residents to suffer and participate in ritualistic sexual abuse. (Sorry. I can't think of a better term for MBA's brand of organized sexual torture)That's despite abuse being reported since its inception. Does that give you an idea of what these organizations can get away with?

And to Joel and photoman: please do not comment on this thread if you cannot resist allowing John D. Reuben to dominate this conversation by going down tangents. As you should know, he had two sons. One now deceased. Alternatively, on the off-chance we have misidentified him, he can in no way be expected to report any dealings with any young adult in a straightforward manner when pertaining to the teen abduction industry. Leave that line of inquiry to the one of the thousands of threads you embark on focusing on that subject.

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More on the Academy at Sisters:

Academy at Sisters on Secret Prisons for Teens.

Many more links from Secret Prisons For Teens on their page.

Another Fornits topic here.  Thread links to HEAL and FICA which both classify it as "suspected of being abusive" and list many utems of concern about their program.

[Troll Control]

No, thanks.  There's nothing I'd like to discuss with you.  My comments have nothing to do with parenting, they simpIy reflect your views on children and programs.  I just want Morgan's folks to know where you're coming from, because you sure as hell will just be blowing smoke up their asses, quoting phony statistics and falsifying your own "success" story.  It shouldn't bother you that I just post quotes of what you said.  If it does, maybe you shouldn't have said it, but you did.  

When you say children have no rights, it dovetails with your statements that you don't believe kids should have access to an abuse hotline independent of the facility to report any abuses (remember, you said they shouldn't have one because "the abuse hotline operator might talk dirty to the kids").  You stated they should be forced to report to their very own abusers, the program staff, which, of course, is pure lunacy.  This is just one of many of your views I will illustrate as I see fit by supplying Morgan's parents with your prior statements.  

Let's be real for a moment: You're not what you claim to be, and we here all know it, but they might need some help to figure it out.  As I have explained before, if your comments and recruitment efforts lead to even one kid being abused at the hands of programs you promote here, it will be a very, very sad day, as it's completely preventable if people know what your true reason for being here is, a financial interest in the TBS industry, where you have claimed "the real money is."  

So let's not play coy, shall we?

I think that you have a sickness, Dysfunction Junction, read your own posts and your footer.  It bugs you that I can speak openly about the good and bad sides of the industry, that my family had a good experience and your mind is set to speak only negative aspects of it.  

If you feel children should have rights prior to the age of 18 and decide their own fate then you should take it up with the government.  Dont take it out on every parent who shows up here trying to seek answers and derail each thread with your hatred.  Lets have respect for Morgan and her parents and keep the conversation towards helping them make the right decision and providing them with information and insight from our own experiences.



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Again, my aim is to keep kids from being abused at programs you promote here.  I don't particularly care about your opinion of me.  I have been nothing but respectful to Morgan and her family, so, of course, I'm not "taking anything out on them."  Like I said, even your "good experience" is phony.  Here's a quote of a moderator's comments about your revisionist family history:

This is the last refuge for someone caught blatantly lying so many times that he has no other excuse but "They altered my posts!" What a LOSER.

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That's about the size of it. He hasn't a leg to stand on in an honest debate, so he resorts to attacks and false allegations. I could provide links to many posts that I would've loved to dump. They're still there.
The only one 'editing' Who's posts is Who. Remember the one in which he stated his daughter split and didn't talk to him for 2 years. He apparently forgot he posted that back when he was anon- before he picked a user name. When I linked to it, he promptly deleted it.
Wah, wah, wah.  :cry2:

So, once more, if you're not proud of what you have posted here, you shouldn't have posted those items.  My simply pointing them out is not the problem.  The problem is that you said it and now you have to own it.  Take some responsibility for your actions.  You are the one doing a disservice to Morgan and her family by being dishonest, not me.  You are a gigantic phony and they have a right to know you're in it for the money.

[Whooter]

Look, Dysfunction Junction, if you bother to look at the posters name it wasnt written by me.  It was written by a poster named Deborah.  If you can locate an original post then we can discuss it.  You are making yourself look foolish and desperate.  Search the database posts that "I wrote".  I cant control what other people say about me.  If I made conflicting statements or if there are posts, that I made, that you dont agree with then I am willing to discuss them openly here on the forum.  I stand behind my posts, but I cant defend or fight off other peoples posts.  People are free to say what they want this is an open forum.



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[Pile of Dead Kids]

Thanks, DJ, hand Whooter another victory in thread derailment. Good thing Morgan's Dad's seen sanity BEFORE the Whospam started. Sorry, Whooter, you derail another thread but still fail again.

[Whooter]

Fuck, why does DJ give whooter all that attention?  Its like he hands the guy the megaphone and whooter takes over the thread. Why?

[Awake]

To Morgan, and her parents, but especially you

I don’t know if this decision is final or not, but what I am hearing is that they might really be willing to work with you on a reasonable alternative.  From what is being said there is a very common power struggle going on in the family dynamic. Everyone needs a sense of control over their lives, and if you are willing to give up a little of it, you may not lose it all.  Your parents are expressing that this choice IS their last option based on your behavior, and so has become a situation where you are forcing them to force you to cooperate.  If you are made to go to this program without resolving this power issue with your parents this vicious cycle might escalate in worse ways than you can imagine. You can’t ‘win’, you really can’t, and whatever alternative they are open to is a good one.  I know you can’t just do away with any resentment or bitterness over what has been going on in your family, but if the control tactics come to the point where you have to go to this place under the current circumstances this might become a seething underlying issue that damages your family relationship beyond repair.  

I heard one of your parents say they are not entirely right either, and maybe that makes it hard to submit to the choices they want to give you, but if you are willing to put the right and wrong aside for now and just do it you will avoid a far more painful experience in which you will have to submit to a situation you disagree with much more, and you will submit even if you have to learn to fake the most genuine of emotions.  It is a unique kind of suffering that you truly do not want, much harder than what it will take for you if you give in now.  It may even be better for you in the end as far as getting what you want out of your family relationship, at least you will maintain a position of more equal footing when you are working through things with them rather than being put at the bottom of the ladder.  Someday you will find that you are going to want their support in your endeavors, and maybe even want them in your life as equals and friends, but if the situation gets to a point where you are put in a position of powerlessness it may be impossible to accept that support without also accepting their domination of you.  You may get married someday, or accomplish things that you will want their blessing for.  That blessing may always carry with it that denunciation of you.

I hope you all can give this one last chance to work it out.  You may have to live with unresolved anger  and it may be difficult to find a way to get along for awhile, but if you can turn things around now and get through it, IT WILL BE WORTH IT.  You are always going to be a family, you will never be able to avoid that even if it becomes forever associated with animosity and interactions that disqualify each other.  If you, Morgan, can’t make a really tough move to cooperate with your parents now, you may never come back from this.  

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[Whooter]

To Morgan, and her parents, but especially you

I don’t know if this decision is final or not, but what I am hearing is that they might really be willing to work with you on a reasonable alternative.  From what is being said there is a very common power struggle going on in the family dynamic. Everyone needs a sense of control over their lives, and if you are willing to give up a little of it, you may not lose it all.  Your parents are expressing that this choice IS their last option based on your behavior, and so has become a situation where you are forcing them to force you to cooperate.  If you are made to go to this program without resolving this power issue with your parents this vicious cycle might escalate in worse ways than you can imagine. You can’t ‘win’, you really can’t, and whatever alternative they are open to is a good one.  I know you can’t just do away with any resentment or bitterness over what has been going on in your family, but if the control tactics come to the point where you have to go to this place under the current circumstances this might become a seething underlying issue that damages your family relationship beyond repair.  

I heard one of your parents say they are not entirely right either, and maybe that makes it hard to submit to the choices they want to give you, but if you are willing to put the right and wrong aside for now and just do it you will avoid a far more painful experience in which you will have to submit to a situation you disagree with much more, and you will submit even if you have to learn to fake the most genuine of emotions.  It is a unique kind of suffering that you truly do not want, much harder than what it will take for you if you give in now.  It may even be better for you in the end as far as getting what you want out of your family relationship, at least you will maintain a position of more equal footing when you are working through things with them rather than being put at the bottom of the ladder.  Someday you will find that you are going to want their support in your endeavors, and maybe even want them in your life as equals and friends, but if the situation gets to a point where you are put in a position of powerlessness it may be impossible to accept that support without also accepting their domination of you.  You may get married someday, or accomplish things that you will want their blessing for.  That blessing may always carry with it that denunciation of you.

I hope you all can give this one last chance to work it out.  You may have to live with unresolved anger  and it may be difficult to find a way to get along for awhile, but if you can turn things around now and get through it, IT WILL BE WORTH IT.  You are always going to be a family, you will never be able to avoid that even if it becomes forever associated with animosity and interactions that disqualify each other.  If you, Morgan, can’t make a really tough move to cooperate with your parents now, you may never come back from this.  

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Very nicely stated, Awake.  Morgan, you should consider those wise words and try to look at those as the best path to get you to age 18.  If you can resolve this locally, working with your parents and with a counselor you will be better off.



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