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[DannyB II]

Bennison, just give it a rest.
Enough already.Stop, okay.
You say you want an end to hostilities.
If that’s true then let it begin with you.
You have the power to make that choice.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:

No Thank You.....
You and your friends will either cease and desist further confrontations that you started first, dating back to my first visit on here or my reactions to your attacks will continue.
You are not laying this at my feet Inculcate, I am not accepting this. Go summon your coven and deal with them.
My email to you was like a century ago, it is null and void.
You and your friends hostilities however you cloak them will not be tolerated at all. I know you can not see this because of your perspective about me but at this stage of the battle it does not matter how we got here but that we are here.
Like I said either acknowledge your part and explain your part or do me a favor and cease talking to me because I am sick of hearing you and your friends hypercritical blah.
That is the power you have, I hope you make the right decision for you.
Danny

[mark babitz]

Oh ffs... Anyone have any suggestions for managing Kinderagartners in an ESL setting? I wouldn't say I'm at "My Wits end" or anything, but I am a bit concerned with one of my class's behavior. I'm more tolerant than the Chinese teachers are with them and I'm willing to take the long view that all good things will come with time and patience from these little rascals, but the Chinese teachers are thinking along the lines of sowing terror into their ranks.

I've had to tell them to chill out a few times already.

So yeah, anyone have any clues for suggestions for a hyperactive kindergarten class in an ESL setting?

 
 :soapbox: We ll if  your at your wits end as you put it, do what you have always done hear on the web and in your past employments . Bash and ridicule and play some head games.After all seeking employment out of the country and in a place like China that has very little human rights etc, is so appropriate for someone like you.But maybe your too dumb to see that, as you parade around like the changed human.China has always been a country of Rulers and Emperors, AKA Communist, :jawdrop: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Is_China_a_communist_country :jawdrop: For those of you who are not up on China here is the definition of China on that link.That being said you are working in a communist country with kids, Now what sound scary about that.?? And for someone with your past, But they dont mind abuse in China thats how they operate, You said that in your statement and so does world views and politics.So your working in a place were they shit on the young and your going to change things.??. Why wouldn't  you stay in the U.S. and try and change the styles here, Oh you probably have been ban in the U.S. from working with kids under 18.Man I want to see how you talk your way around this factual info.The Emperor of China must have recruited you to change and modify the school system. :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff:  :fuckoff

[Matt C. Hoffman]

Is it true that there is a ring of dead grass for 500 ft. around Joe Ricci's grave?

Hi Frodo...

...seems like we have all been here before ..... (large beautiful chord).... Hmm  maybe too abstract , no?

Ok different response.....   It is thought that the large dead ring of grass  is a direct  result of the" COLLECTIVE" pissing of thousands of former resident on his grave. It is done as more of a remote pissing , kinda like remote viewing, cause no one actually has seen anyone  P ing on his grave .

The other studied thought on this is that it is quite possible that due to ricci's action's while above ground ,( very bad person)That anything that comes within 500 feet of his rotting corpse dies because , (to steal the childs frightened  words at the end of the movie  Time bandits) don't touch it (ricci's "SOUL")  thats  .....

[SEKTO]

When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.

[Che Gookin]

How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

Ehh... I'm tempted to say don't let the door slap your ass on the way out, but...  Instead I suggest giving it a few days and finding something worthwhile to focus your attention.

You don't have to pay Danny any attention if you don't wan to.

Use the ignore feature.

Likewise, you won't need to worry about me trolling you anymore, I stopped seriously trolling you after Felice told me you got out of the hospital, which coincidentally is before you were told I was octomommy.

This shit has got to settle down people. ELAN is getting a free god damn ride while a few individuals are having a field day tearing each other apart. All of you, Danny included, was a resident of what I'm beginning to believe is one of the most abusive programs around. Stop acting like you are still in the program and all of you, including those of us on the outiside who are egging on the combatants, need to start working together (Me, Joel, and a few others... you know who you are.).

I'll do it if yall will do it.

If not, well I have my ignore button as well.

Chill the fuck out and remember that there are kids still in Elan who need our help.

That's a damn important responsibility because united we might just be able to save a couple of them. Never a certainty, but definitely nothing is going to happen the way people are carrying on now.


So bury the hatchets people, just no in each other's back.

[SEKTO]

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.

[Che Gookin]

Yeah, called it bro.

Stop acting like you are still in the program

[SEKTO]

Am I wrong?

[Che Gookin]

Nah, not wrong, I just pointed out I acknowledged your thinking my last post. I agree with what you are saying, I've been there myself with trying to control situations. It gets under your skin and you have to really work at giving up the power. Once you've figured out how to do that, it gets easier.


And here are my few thoughts on what I believe is a huge cop out (i hate using the term as well, but it fits the foot so.. bleh). The cop out in question is blaming this all on the program.

I mean wtf...

We are all adults.

ACT like it.

and notice I didn't exclude myself from that either.

Come on people.. pull together and remember there is far more here at stake than your e-peen.

[SEKTO]

Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

[DannyB II]

How the hell do we waste so much time on Danny Bennison when there is much to discuss everywhere else. I cant follow this constant daily Danny fiesta and try to gain any accomplishment elsewhere. There is much to do right now and basically I am getting to the point of saying fuck fornits because this is fucken crazy daily bullshit that is out of control. Hell I got a life cant come on here once in awhile to not do anything productive. We already established how we feel about Danny, so lets roll off this please...omfg I cant take the art and danny bullshit anymore guys. Who really fucken cares. :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  :feedtrolls:  they r purposely wasting my time

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
Danny

[DannyB II]

When people pretty much completely stop posting because of the excess of trolling, what is effectively happening is that he (the troll) is moderating the ability of others to post. This is hardly in the spirit of the forum.

Free speech gives one the right to say whatever one wants; it does not give one the right to say anything one wants, wherever one wants to say it.

IMO it's about time that fornits was much better moderated.  There have got to be some kind of rules, standards.  

Without these, it's just one big trollfest and fornits turns into a farce.  Again, just my opinion.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
SEKTO
Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
Danny

[Che Gookin]

Though I am the first to acknowledge that psychological trauma incurred through program abuse (or any abuse, for that matter) seriously undermines one's ability to make healthy and constructive decisions, I also say that hell no, one can't blame everything on their program, whatever program it was.  Life is about choices, and taking responsibility for them.

True that player...

And I'm loving how some of the instigators of this shit are playing the victim. Laaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaame.
 
:suicide:

Sharon can we stop, take a break, catch our breath and put off any more pleasantries for another time, what do you think.
Danny

There is no need for compromise here Danny, you just need to do this for your own good, and not worry or think about Sharon.

SEKTO
Most of this message you have posted here is from your disdain for the offender as "YOU SEE IT". Free speech is especially important in this circumstance, it allows the parties to express all of their emotions.
Danny

So free speech is what you've been calling this muddle? I call it actively aiding and abetting Elan in their sick work.

[Anonymous]

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[DannyB II]

When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. Do you see what I am driving at?

In other words, a lot of times people who leave high control groups (and this particularly happens with people who were part of leadership in their group) still behave as if they are still in the group when interacting with others in another group situation, regardless of whether that kind of behavior is appropriate in the new situational context.

That is what I see Shamrock doing; he's behaving in this situation and in this context as if he is still in his old group.  He's translating his position as a "leader" in his old group, into this situation and it's not appropriate for him to do so.

That is what I see most of the Elanites doing; they are behaving this situational context as if you are still in their old group, namely Elan.

 :shamrock:  :shamrock:
Interesting point Sekto, but I don't think what I am doing is actually translating Elan as it is more translating my 28 years of being in business and having 75 or more employees. SEKTO we can be on this site and be caught up in this world so much that all we see is program. I am not living in the past or playing a part here or outside of here. I know you are very involved in your studies but hold on here a minute. Maybe there are folks that are trapped in a time warp constantly, others for a brief time. I do think I found myself fighting for my survival, feeling like I could not breath. This anger and need to engage has been a constant red flag for me.
I just wanted everyone to be accountable for there part, validation.
Danny