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[Cayo Hueso]

who is asking?

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-06 12:11:00, Anonymous wrote:

we have been given a gift that gave us the tools to have a successful family life. Success is always a personal definition, but I do know, even if I tried, really tried, I could never be the same parent I was prior to our program experience. I'm not making the same mistakes with my other son.

I never felt sleep deprived, I had 8 hours of sleep a night, what I felt was a huge weight had been lifted from my back. I had carried around a lot of garbage for a long time. For those not willing to take a deep look at their own lives, I can see where the process of digging deep would be not only uncomfortable, but impossible.

It only works for those that are willing to change.

See? It's this. This is what WWASP/Seed/Straight/KHK/AARC/SAFE/GT/PFC/Elan all have in common. Know who else? Apocolyptic cults, AA, Amway and Scientology. It's an unatainable higher purpose in which you have complete faith cause it can't be proven true or accomplished.

We should be careful to get out of an experience only the wisdom that is in it - and stop there;  lest we be like the cat that sits down on a hot stove-lid.  She will never sit down on a hot stove-lid again---and that is well;  but also she will never sit down on a cold one anymore.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/external-search?tag=circlofmiamithem&keyword=mark+twain&mode=books' target='_new'> Mark Twain

[turbinekat]

A company spokesman, James Wall, said it had always filed its federal income taxes properly. But Mr. Wall said Wwasps, which calls itself a nonprofit corporation in Utah, had never applied for nonprofit, tax-exempt status with the Internal Revenue Service.

The company says it does not directly own or control any of its affiliates, and claims no responsibility for their programs. But Spring Creek Lodge employees, for instance, say the program sends about 40 percent of its revenues to Wwasps.

Ginger,

You are absolutely correct in your this is it statement.  However, the above info is what is going to bring the pyramid down!!!  It appears that wwasps didn't provide Uncle Sammy with his cut too!!!  Oops!!!

Regards,

Lee

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:11 ]

[Antigen]

On 2003-09-06 18:51:00, turbinekat wrote:



Ginger,



You are absolutely correct in your this is it statement.  However, the above info is what is going to bring the pyramid down!!!  It appears that wwasps didn't provide Uncle Sammy with his cut too!!!  Oops!!!



Regards,



Lee



"

Well, sure, WWASP (aka WWASPs), maybe, whatever legal entity type they are. And, hopefully, a few of the the Lichfields and Kays will get spanked pretty good. But just look at the zealot, religious devotion aparent in this scenareo.

Things are getting somewhat better. Finally, the media is starting to look at a dangerous cult even though they're only threatening children, not the government.

They're not doing it out of altruism, but of self interest. That's fine. The media belongs to us a whole lot more than the courts or legislature do.

Big brother is watching, sure. But he ain't looking out for us. That's not what they do.

I think the public interest that has been generated by the legal battle is going to be a lot more effective at actually busting up the cult than any settlements, legal sanctions or the hassle of shuffling names and paper around so they can pretend to not be WWASP anymore.

Now that we know that TOUGHLOVE is a hategroup, let's see if we can get the media to follow it up even after the feature performance is over.

It's said that the newspaper is how a community talks to itself. Rampant talking out in group is what's called for.

You can lead a camel to water but you can't make it stink (any more than it already does)
-- Job

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American drug war P.O.W.
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Straight South (Sarasota, FL)
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[Anonymous]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the two separate unhappy parents Tim reported on in the article are both lawyers?   :rofl:

[Anonymous]

No i dont find it interesting. The only interesting thing is your affiliation with WWASP.

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:12 ]

[Anonymous]

If a program tells you to give us your kid and then go on vacation "you deserve it" AND write (your imprisioned child that you cannot check on at will and is not able to report abuse to authorites) a pretty postcard saying..."we're having a great time ..so glad you're NOT here"

-that is sadistic and imagine being abused, isolated, berated, and knowing that your God given advocates appear not to care -as instructed by the program! That is cult control!
or writing your kid out of your life via the "Exit Plan" in the absolutely most hopeless way possible again as instructed by the program!

it is said that the most vunerable to being controlled by a cult are the highly intelligent that think that they could not be...looks to be true.

.....what you've done to the least of me you've done to me....Jesus- the real Judge...

[anon]

[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-18 13:13 ]

[Carey]

Does anyone else find it interesting that the two separate unhappy parents Tim reported on in the article are both lawyers?

I find this very interesting.  I have to wonder, what kind of attorney would sign the contract WWASP school's provide?  I am not an attorney, yet I could see that any parent who signed it was basically signing over their rights to be informed about the decisions being made regarding their child.

[Anonymous]

What I took from reading the NT Times article, noticing the comments from the two attornies,was that people much smarter,better educated than I ,they too were duped and suckered into the superior Marketing and salesmanship of Teen Help.

Vulnerable parents are not reading adequetly at the time they are "reading" the contract.I know we didnt. Teen Help depends on that fact.

Who would think a Speciality school could be so cruel.

Not a good excuse but a real one.

What I have taken from my Teen Help /WWASP experience is to not trust at all ever again.

[Carey]

Well if anyone should have known what they were getting into, it should have been the attorneys.  But then I suppose better educated does not necessarily mean smarter.  I suppose their common sense could have been missing as well.  The contracts state that the people making the decisions (at the programs) about whether or not a child should be put in OP were not trained or qualified to determine if or not it is/was necessary.

I think that there are alot of angry parents who paid a lot of money and got very little in return.  Too bad they did not do a better job reading what they were signing.  Maybe they too should be held accountable for neglect.

Falling for the marketing is one thing, falling for the contract is another.  The contract I saw spells it all out.

I wander if either of the attorneys hired escorts?

[ This Message was edited by: Carey on 2003-09-08 08:38 ]

[Anonymous]

I'm with Carey, "stupid is as stupid does".  Also, how about that "smart" parent in Canada who drugged her kid into submission so she would go "willingly" with her transporters into a program?  Why didn't the parents just escort their child themselves since she was clearly in no condition to resist?  

 :silly:

[Anonymous]

On 2003-09-08 06:25:00, Carey wrote:

"

Does anyone else find it interesting that the two separate unhappy parents Tim reported on in the article are both lawyers?

I find this very interesting.  I have to wonder, what kind of attorney would sign the contract WWASP school's provide?  I am not an attorney, yet I could see that any parent who signed it was basically signing over their rights to be informed about the decisions being made regarding their child.

"

someone desperate to help their child.  and, that someone upon further reflection, realized its a big scam.