Author Topic: List of children being currently tortured at CALO (Read 13396 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #30 on:** June 13, 2009, 05:47:20 PM »

Quote from: "Maminka"

Quote from: "Suicide Barbie"
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/

http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/

Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??

That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 51#p332051 shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.

Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?

If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.

Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.

If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?

And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?

There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.

Anonymous · « **Reply #31 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:07:05 PM »

Quote from: "Guest"

Quote from: "Maminka"
Quote from: "Suicide Barbie"
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/

http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/

Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??

That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. viewtopic.php?p=332051#p332051 shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.

Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?

If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.

Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.

If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?

And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?

There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.

I am sure that there is much truth behind allegations against any number of places - those youtube videos show some seriously screwed up things out there. So bravo when abuse is uncovered and prosecuted.

"Infantilist pedophiles" sounds like an accusation and not "exaggeration." Are you assuming that all who call their practices "attachment therapy" are child abusers? Because of some wierdos in Evergreen, Colorado? Doesn't make sense to me. And by the way, I don't see the problem with the handbook you gave a link to, but I guess I am the only one really reading or watching these links. But like someone said earlier, the allegations and any infractions of the law are up to the prosecutors and the lawyers...

I am not really interested in debating with you about why or how my child ended up at CALO, or, for that matter the merits of CALO...my point is that I do object when my child's civil rights are violated by exposing private medical information. And contrary to what someone said earlier, the platform for illegal actions bears some of the responsibility for those actions. Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?

I see you are a "Guest" on this forum, but the registration process on most responsible sites would require an email address, right? And this Administrator knows his own email address, correct? So conceivably those could be made available. And why can't the ones pointing the finger go public about who they are and the grounds for their allegations? Inquiring minds want to know...

S.

Anonymous · « **Reply #32 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:19:27 PM »

Quote from: "Maminka"

Quote from: "Guest"
Quote from: "Maminka"
Quote from: "Suicide Barbie"
http://www.childrenintherapy.org/

http://childtorture.wordpress.com/author/childtorture/

Neither one of the links refer to CALO, and at CALO they DO NOT diaper and bottle feed the kids.
Where did you get your information??

That was one of the trolls. We have many of them here. The original poster "well proxied", on the other hand, was exaggerating with "infantilist pedophiles" but he doesn't seem to be far off the mark. They advertise as practicing "attachment therapy", which is what those links are to. http://www.fornits.com/phpbb/viewtopic. ... 51#p332051 shows how much CALO likes attachment therapy, which has been debunked by the American Psychological Association.

Do you honestly expect the admins to know the name and email address of a guy calling himself "well proxied"?

If you believe that CALO falls under HIPAA, go read what constitutes a "covered entity" under HIPAA and what doesn't.

Also, Ken Huey DEFINITELY won't want a prosecution on THAT one, because if CALO is covered under HIPAA and "well proxied" isn't lying when he says he found the information in public, then that puts repercussions on HIM.

If your child has actual mental problems, why isn't he/she in a REAL mental institution, one where HIPAA and other laws relating to actual treatment (which this clearly is not, despite the made-up diagnosis crap) apply?

And if he/she doesn't actually have anything to be institutionalized for, why the FUCK did you do it?

There might- just might- be a reason behind Fornits. And you just might want to look into what that reason could be.

I am sure that there is much truth behind allegations against any number of places - those youtube videos show some seriously screwed up things out there. So bravo when abuse is uncovered and prosecuted.

"Infantilist pedophiles" sounds like an accusation and not "exaggeration." Are you assuming that all who call their practices "attachment therapy" are child abusers? Because of some wierdos in Evergreen, Colorado? Doesn't make sense to me. And by the way, I don't see the problem with the handbook you gave a link to, but I guess I am the only one really reading or watching these links. But like someone said earlier, the allegations and any infractions of the law are up to the prosecutors and the lawyers...

I am not really interested in debating with you about why or how my child ended up at CALO, or, for that matter the merits of CALO...my point is that I do object when my child's civil rights are violated by exposing private medical information. And contrary to what someone said earlier, the platform for illegal actions bears some of the responsibility for those actions. Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?

I see you are a "Guest" on this forum, but the registration process on most responsible sites would require an email address, right? And this Administrator knows his own email address, correct? So conceivably those could be made available. And why can't the ones pointing the finger go public about who they are and the grounds for their allegations? Inquiring minds want to know...

S.

You had a human being imprisoned, without due process or habeas corpus and held incommunicado in an environment which has no oversight protecting him/her from torture or quackery and you are concerned about the civil rights abuses involved in having his name on this forum? Could a person be so obtuse?

More likely, you are embarrassed about what you have done becoming part of the public record.

Many have tried to sue fornits and failed. If you do try, your name will be even more associated with what many would consider imprisonment, torture, and a parents hideous, selfish betrayal of their own kid.

Anonymous · « **Reply #33 on:** June 13, 2009, 07:38:56 PM »

Oh, grow up, Guest! You obviously don't know anything - you just THINK you know!
By the way, my name is Susan, what's yours?

Ursus · « **Reply #34 on:** June 13, 2009, 10:27:29 PM »

Quote from: "Maminka"

TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.

May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?

Susan

So... Maminka, why exactly did you choose to put your child at CALO? What kind of "mental health treatment" do you expect your child to be receiving at CALO?

psy · « **Reply #35 on:** June 14, 2009, 04:21:59 AM »

Quote from: "Maminka"

TO THE SITE ADMINISTRATOR:
My child's name is listed under children getting treatment at CALO. You are free to state your negative opinion of CALO and its methods, however you have NO right to violate our privacy by listing the name of someone receiving mental health treatment. In fact, it is against the law.

May I please have your (administrator's) email address, and the name and email address of the person who posted the names, so we might communicate privately?

Susan

You may have my email address, sure. Psyborgue@mac.com . May be you have the poster's name/ip address? Not without a subpoena. Sorry.

I don't agree with what the poster did and frankly I find it disgusting, but unless a law has been violated, and by violated I mean judged in court as such, nothing on this site ever gets removed.

Why? many reasons. I'd be happy to explain in email or on the phone.

psy · « **Reply #36 on:** June 14, 2009, 04:34:03 AM »

Quote from: "Maminka"

Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?

The site's owner is Ginger Mcnulty. You can PM her as "Antigen" She would be the Supreme Court here so if you don't like my decision, you can appeal to her.
The site's administrator is me, Michael Crawford. You can PM me, contact me via email at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... ecency_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... pplication

See. Frankly, I don't know whether a law has been violated. You can argue it, but how can I be sure of it unless it is judged as such in court and upheld on any appeal. Lots of people come on here and say "you said a bad word about me, that's illegal" when it clearly isn't. Either way, it's not my place to say. That's a matter for the courts.

Threats won't work well here. You get more with honey. If you want to talk about this, go ahead and call my cell and I can further explain the rationale behind the forum's policies.

Anonymous · « **Reply #37 on:** June 14, 2009, 08:16:50 PM »

Quote from: "psy"

I don't agree with what the poster did and frankly I find it disgusting,.

I think its fantastic. When being imprisoned and tortured in my own "specialty school" for "kids with emotional problems", i would have loved for any guard to have cared enough about my welfare enough to advocate for me by posting my name and some documents hinting at my torturous and invalid"treatment."

Already, the disgusting, abusive, negligent people who call themselves parents of these kids are coming out of the woodwork, and having to take stock of the crime they have committed (though they rationalize it).

Perhaps someone who actually cares about these imprisoned, helpless kids might take up their cause, now that they know what became of them. With any luck, now that it is public what “Susan" and the other “parents” have done, they will be ostracized by her community. Perhaps even lynched. The world will be a better place.

Susan, here's to hoping that something as horrible is done to you, as you have done to your kid.
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

Che Gookin · « **Reply #38 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:47:12 PM »

errr... Personally I hope this rather different point of view from the standard CALO kool aid is enough to rock these folks out of their secluded little worlds. I certainly don't hope anything bad happens to them, well that is unless they persist on keeping their children at this torture camp. If that is the case my fullest desire is that a collective rash of high altitude piano moving accidents happens.

Anonymous · « **Reply #39 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:51:42 PM »

Quote from: "psy"

Quote from: "Maminka"
Witness recent high profile cases involving Ebay, Craigslist, and others. Perhaps that is why the site administrator here is anonymous?

The site's owner is Ginger Mcnulty. You can PM her as "Antigen" She would be the Supreme Court here so if you don't like my decision, you can appeal to her.
The site's administrator is me, Michael Crawford. You can PM me, contact me via email at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... ecency_Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_23 ... pplication

See. Frankly, I don't know whether a law has been violated. You can argue it, but how can I be sure of it unless it is judged as such in court and upheld on any appeal. Lots of people come on here and say "you said a bad word about me, that's illegal" when it clearly isn't. Either way, it's not my place to say. That's a matter for the courts.

Threats won't work well here. You get more with honey. If you want to talk about this, go ahead and call my cell and I can further explain the rationale behind the forum's policies.

Thanks for the info, Psy. No threats intended, just pointing to precedents that we have all heard about lately. (In any case, I am quite reasonable and polite, compared with many of your posters who besides breaking the law are crude and offensive.) Anyway, when we know something is wrong, why allow it? Does everything need to wait until someone takes a specific incident to court and gets a "ruling?"

Many insurance companies, by the way, would agree with your notion of sharing freely private medical and other personal information (for their own gain) - I, for one, vigorously disagree. Oh, and you can post your opinion about me all day long, that's not the point. (Although I might take exception if you called me a pedophile - that is a serious criminal accusation and one could argue that it, indeed, could be considered libel.) Just don't print private medical information.

Interesting links - and as you know the law and its application are ever-evolving with regard to the Internet. With regard to the wikipedia citation: "Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act of 1996 (a common name for Title V of the Telecommunications Act of 1996) is a landmark piece of Internet legislation in the United States, codified at 47 U.S.C. § 230. Section 230(c)(1) provides immunity from liability for providers and users of an "interactive computer service" who publish information provided by others..." it goes on to cases where immunity was rejected in the U.S. Supreme Court. Of course this Act in no way applies to other countries, (including the other country where I hold legal residency.)

FInally, these might be of interest: http://www.freedomtodiffer.com/freedom_ ... ums-r.html
http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... vate-facts
"Section 230 explicitly exempts from its coverage criminal law, communications privacy law, and "intellectual property claims." http://www.citmedialaw.org/legal-guide/ ... ecency-act

Susan

Che Gookin · « **Reply #40 on:** June 14, 2009, 09:57:32 PM »

It is believed by some in the CALO survivors community that this "Susan" is actually the wife of a CALO staff member.

Anonymous · « **Reply #41 on:** June 14, 2009, 10:06:42 PM »

Quote from: "Che Gookin"

It is believed by some in the CALO survivors community that this "Susan" is actually the wife of a CALO staff member.

:|) Interesting that your community should be gossiping about me, Comrade Che...
Now, should I be offended that they not believe that I am actually a staff member rather than a mere "wife?"

Che Gookin · « **Reply #42 on:** June 14, 2009, 10:10:49 PM »

Getting trolled by the spouses of Staff members has happened before, which is why it sounds all the more believable. If you aren't this person's wife you can easily verify it by pulling your child out of this pit.

Once you do sit your child down with a bit of paper and have them record every single abusive act they witnessed. After which have them call the state of Missouri DCF abuse report hotline. It is anonymous, and MR. RED FLAG TOUCHES/Ken Huey can't sue you or your family for making a report.

Anonymous · « **Reply #43 on:** June 14, 2009, 10:16:33 PM »

Quote from: "Che Gookin"

Getting trolled by the spouses of Staff members has happened before, which is why it sounds all the more believable. If you aren't this person's wife you can easily verify it by pulling your child out of this pit.

Once you do sit your child down with a bit of paper and have them record every single abusive act they witnessed. After which have them call the state of Missouri DCF abuse report hotline. It is anonymous, and MR. RED FLAG TOUCHES/Ken Huey can't sue you or your family for making a report.

Why would I do that? I like the place and think they do a great job...
And which person's wife are you talking about? You make no sense.

Anonymous · « **Reply #44 on:** June 14, 2009, 10:20:58 PM »

Maminka are you a shift leader at CALO? Please discuss. I smell a CALO troll.

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