What brand of cigarette do you smoke?

[Anonymous]

Are you guys serious? You think it's worth sacrificing your health ( guess you wont be taking the stairs to the top of the eifel tower) and eventually your life just so you can go outside and "chit chat"??  :eek:

Nicotine does have positive effects (mild, but positive... like coffee). You should try it sometime.

You have to go back a few decades to get anybody on record saying cigarettes have positive effects, way to bring out the retro argument. But I guess you'll respond by saying "well I said nicotine not tobacco, and you can use the patch or inhaler". Ya right, I'm sure lots of people are going outside for a 5 minute nicotine patch break.

The funny thing is ..

mild, but positive... like coffee

Coffee doesn't give you stomach cancer when you drink it. Drinking coffee isn't the leading cause of preventable early death. But what coffee can do is give you the same benefits as you describe as smoking. You can go outside for a coffee break instead of a cigarette break. you can go to a coffee shop and still be part of a social group.

So coffee works for your category of stimulant and social. I don't know about your deterrent category though, maybe you can wear black eyeliner and a trench coat and people will still stay away from you. You aren't offending me by smoking, I just think it's stupid to waste your life for no good reason and curious as to the reasons why and how smokers explain it to themselves. If you know something is addictive and killing you, why continue to use it? Do you not care about your life? Besides, "you gotta die of something", you are choosing one of the most painful and gruesome ways to die. Not to mention shaving decades off your life.. that's a long time, when you only got a few months to live.

[Anonymous]

OK so you won 187k, but where in the thread does it say how much of that you get to take home at the end of the day? Someone suggested the lawyers get 30%, so you get about 120k personally? Is that right?

Read the whole thread, or the whole judgment.  I don't like rewriting things.  If you're capable of reading, do it.

I read the whole thread and the whole judgment. No where did it say exactly how much you are getting paid. Why is it so hard to type it out, it's only a few numbers.?

I mean I'll just assume it's $120,000 until you say otherwise, because from that thread and the link that's the best I could figure out.

[psy]

You have to go back a few decades to get anybody on record saying cigarettes have positive effects, way to bring out the retro argument.

That's why I quoted a recent article (there is LOTS of research on this).
http://health.msn.com/health-topics/adh ... =100144050

[Anonymous]

From the article

Although the number of smokers is decreasing, smoking still accounts for roughly 1 in 7 deaths in the United States (1 in 3 between the ages of 35 and 70). And tobacco — particularly when smoked — is highly addictive.

Yet you are arguing of the "benefits" of smoking? really? I think there are better ways of dealing with anxiety, adhd, etc than with smoking cigarettes. I don't see many people walking outside for a nicorette gum chewing break. Notice the age bracket of the deaths starts at 35... stop smoking tonight, it might save your life.

[psy]

Besides, "you gotta die of something", you are choosing one of the most painful and gruesome ways to die.

Which assumes if I got terminal cancer I would let the cancer kill me.  That's not necessarily so.  I'd take the opportunity to do all sorts of reckless things I would otherwise never want to risk...  and in those acts, you might say I would live in such a way few people are ever able to do.

[psy]

Not to mention shaving decades off your life.. that's a long time, when you only got a few months to live.

A statistical inrease in the likelyhood of cancer is not a guarantee, nor is "decades" exactly accurate, but that's not the point.  The point is that it's my choice and really none of your business.  If you go around judging everybody else like you have me (and all smokers), don't expect to get a friendly reaction.

[Anonymous]

Besides, "you gotta die of something", you are choosing one of the most painful and gruesome ways to die.

Which assumes if I got terminal cancer I would let the cancer kill me.  That's not necessarily so.  I'd take the opportunity to do all sorts of reckless things I would otherwise never want to risk...  and in those acts, you might say I would live in such a way few people are ever able to do.

Ok, now that is an interesting argument.. behold the power of denial!
Apparently, cigarettes are cool because when you get terminal cancer, you will be free of your fear of death and can then go do dare devil, death-defying activities, which (of course) you would never have experienced if you never started smoking, and ultimately terminal cancer.

Now that is one intricate argument, that could only make sense in the mind that created it. Wow.

Why won't you say how much money you got? I really did read that whole thread and ruling, and couldn't find it. What's the big deal with typing a few numbers out ?

[psy]

Ok, now that is an interesting argument.. behold the power of denial!

You're just proving my point.  No matter what I say, it's the addiction talking according to you.  I'm powerles to control myself bla bla bla bla.  It couldn't *possibly* be a conscious choice based on a difference in life philosophies and the way we see things.  Nope.  It's a fictional disease talking.

[psy]

Why won't you say how much money you got?

How much I got?  I haven't gotten anything yet.  But as for how much the judge ordered, it's in the settlement, as is the full agreement with my attorneys specifying exactly what we paid and what our fee arrangement was.

[Anonymous]

Not to mention shaving decades off your life.. that's a long time, when you only got a few months to live.

A statistical inrease in the likelyhood of cancer is not a guarantee, nor is "decades" exactly accurate, but that's not the point.  The point is that it's my choice and really none of your business.  If you go around judging everybody else like you have me (and all smokers), don't expect to get a friendly reaction.

Who said I expected a friendly reaction? it's not like I came up to you, real life psy, in a coffee shop and dropped a stop-smoking pamphlet in front of you, sat down and started lecturing. This is a discussion forum, inside of a thread of which I am very much on topic, all of which takes place in a completely voluntary way. You keep trying to portray yourself as some sort of oppressed individual as  a smoker, but that's not very accurate. You say it's none of my business yet you come into a thread about smoking, declare your favorite brand. I pose questions and argument to any smoker in general, YOU answer me, and yet somehow I am getting in your business. It just doesn't pan out.
I'm not sure how I'm "judging you", I think it's common sense that poisoning yourself and paying someone else good money to do so is pretty stupid, and will most likely shorten your life and cause you pain and disease and death.

[Anonymous]

Why won't you say how much money you got?

Various reasons which will be revealed in time.  What's it to you?

Well you just said to me several times I could find out this information by reading the thread, which you linked and reading the judgment. I did both, and couldn't find it. Now you're saying this information is NOT revealed anywhere, AND you can't tell anyone? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

124,600 - I used a calculator this time, is that about right? Why do I want to know? I'm just curious, don't be so paranoid.

[psy]

I'm not sure how I'm "judging you"

The whole accusations of addiction and denial bit sort of gave it away.

[psy]

Why won't you say how much money you got?

Various reasons which will be revealed in time.  What's it to you?

Well you just said to me several times I could find out this information by reading the thread, which you linked and reading the judgment. I did both, and couldn't find it. Now you're saying this information is NOT revealed anywhere, AND you can't tell anyone? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

The judgement says that we paid our attorneys 30k dollars for a retainer.  That's all we get back.  The attorneys get teh rest as it is, (surprise) an award for attorney's fees (wow.  i fucking wonder what that could be)  Your questions as to how much we have collected out of that judgment are and what our intents are, however, not public for the time being.  Why so interested?

[Anonymous]

I'm not sure how I'm "judging you"

The whole accusations of addiction and denial bit sort of gave it away.

From your own source

Although the number of smokers is decreasing, smoking still accounts for roughly 1 in 7 deaths in the United States (1 in 3 between the ages of 35 and 70). And tobacco — particularly when smoked — is highly addictive.

If you smoke cigarettes regularly, you are addicted to them. That is a scientific fact. You already admitted if you quit cold turkey, you would suffer through withdrawal symptoms. That means (guess what?), you guessed it, you are addicted to cigarettes.

When someone says they look forward to getting terminal lung cancer, so they can finally fulfill their desires which they are too afraid to do now, as an argument to promote smoking, yeah. That's 100% denial right there. You just listed off trivial reasons as to why it's okay to take a product that is addictive and deadly. If you weren't addicted to cigarettes, you would never be making those arguments... and definitely not the thing about terminal cancer relieving your fear to do exciting things.

That's like a drunk saying drinking is good because the food they serve is good in jail, for when they get arrested for DUI. Doesn't make a lot of sense right? But that's what you sound like right now.

[psy]

yet somehow I am getting in your business.

Is there any other way to see this post:
viewtopic.php?f=22&t=27212&start=15#p328872

You came to your own conclusions beforehand, prompting me to write this post:

I think you are addicted to it, and will make non-logical statements based in denial. Still waiting...

And that's why I don't bother answering.  Because If I deny it, it's evidence of a problem...  a bit like dunking a witch.  If the witch denies it, it's evidence she's a witch.  No matter what I say, you'll always think me a "witch".

He's an ADDICT.  BURN HIM (or forceably "treat" him by stripping her of every single shread of individuality...  I can't figure out which is worse.  Personally, i'd rather burn than go through that again).

No matter what I say... no matter what reasons I give you, it's evidence of "denial".  There is no point making a defense if the verdict has already been arrived at (sort of like the forced confessions in the gulags).

Moral busybody assholes like yourself just want people to admit powerlessness they don't have so you can control them and make yourself feel good... some semblance of purpose in your otherwise meaningless existence (and chances are, you do't even realize it).  Life is about risks.  I take a risk by smoking.  If you try to interfere with my right to do that, you should be thankful if I don't interfere with your right to breathe.

"It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent
moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his
cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our
own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their consciences."---C. S. Lewis