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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #60 on: March 29, 2009, 12:45:24 PM »
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #61 on: March 29, 2009, 02:34:32 PM »
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #62 on: March 29, 2009, 02:44:40 PM »
Quote from: "The Hacking Lung"
Here's a great discussion, over 500 posts about smoking or not smoking... rights, laws passed etc...

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wish/ ... QLC8RM6H6Q
good thread
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #63 on: March 29, 2009, 02:45:14 PM »
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I agree, that was harsh!

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There are some things we can change, but the constant in life is that people will always find a way to fuck shit up.

Oh boo schmoo, yes I know. You're preaching to the choir, you don't have to tell me about death, I'm from fucking Baltimore.  :poison:  :rofl:

Yes, who cares, just let them die, you say. Oh no, that statement isn't harsh at all! Your outlook seems defeatist to me, not to mention kind of cold and fucked up....existentialist, you could say....?

No nerves to strike, and I'm not here to "get offended" (sheesh) or to judge you (hell, I've been there too) just an observation is all...

If people wanna smoke, fine. I have no prob with it, but I'll tell them I think it's stupid if I care about them. Then they can go and fuckin' well smoke til they drop if they want, it's on them!

Agreed.

Heres the thing tho, its not that I don't care for and have empathy for people, Its just those who choose to ingest chemicals that can very well make you ill and die, are (IMHO) in most ways, choosing to end their lives early. I'm not going to get emotional about the masses of people who choose to make themselves sick, just the same as I don't feel sorry for alcoholics or drug addicts if they choose that for their lives. Personally I have had many of my friends (and family) choose to fuck up their lives with drugs and there wasn't anything I could do to help them until they really didn't want to do it anymore. I think thats probably where this "harsh" mind-state comes from. I do care, believe me, one time I held my friend hostage (only kinda, and yes she asked me to) to get her detoxed off Heroin but the second she was clean and stable and choose to go back, I stopped trying to convince her of what she already knows.

So in a global since it is really difficult for me to give a shit about what someone is doing halfway around the world, even if it is slowly killing themselves. Think of the insane amount of stupid effin people in this world, do you think its necessary to have a bleeding heart for every dumbass that smoked themselves to the grave?... as much as I'd love to be the mother teresa type I'm really just not. I'm pretty much anti-allthatwarmandfuzzyfeelgoodshit. The world is just the way it is, there is A LOT of fucked up shit out there, and maybe I'm just desensitized but I just figure there are more important issues to worry about then fighting an industry where consenting adults are indulging in a substance they are aware onsets early death... just not a soft spot for me.

But if we were talking about whole cities of innocent civilians being bombed, children being sold as sex slaves or starving to death or American families being used and abused by the troubled teen industry, thats shit thats worth caring about. You know, as much as its weird for me to even say, the serenity prayer does have a point, learn to accept the things you cannot change, and fight to change the things you can. I just draw my line at freedom of choice.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #64 on: March 29, 2009, 03:41:32 PM »
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But if we were talking about whole cities of innocent civilians being bombed, children being sold as sex slaves or starving to death or American families being used and abused by the troubled teen industry, thats shit thats worth caring about. You know, as much as its weird for me to even say, the serenity prayer does have a point, learn to accept the things you cannot change, and fight to change the things you can. I just draw my line at freedom of choice.

I would imagine that you care about the babies of woman who smoke when pregnant, since "they are innocent"?

I think any unnecessary death is a tragedy, no matter what the cause, whether it's war, crime, poverty or even yes cigarettes.

Here are some facts that might put this problem into perspective:

* Around 5.4 million deaths a year are caused by tobacco worldwide

* Smoking is set to kill 6.5 million people in 2015 and 8.3 million humans in 2030, with the biggest rise in low-and middle-income countries.

* Every 6.5 seconds a current or former smoker dies, according to the World Health Organization (WHO).

* An estimated 1.3 billion people are smokers worldwide (WHO).

* Over 443,000 Americans (over 18 percent of all deaths) die because of smoking each year. Secondhand smoke kills about 50,000 of them.

* 1.2 million people in China die because of smoking each year. That's 2,000 people a day.

* Tobacco use will kill 1 billion people in the 21st century if current smoking trends continue.

If secondhand smoke kills 50k people in the US alone each year, then it's not really just the smokers problem, now is it? More people died from smoking cigarettes (100 million) in the 20th century than died from all the wars combined. That includes WW1 WW2 and all the other smaller wars, COMBINED.

This isn't about choice, it's about money. Human beings are biological creatures like any other animal living on this planet. Some chemicals are VERY addictive, and we will continue to take them to our own detriment.

Corporations are standing in line to make BILLIONS per year by selling these deadly chemicals to people. They work hard to make it MORE addictive, MORE deadly, and get people hooked younger and for longer. They use chemistry to amke their cigarettes worse for people, as long as it keeps them smoking longer. All they care about is money. They market to kids, and try to convince people smoking is cool and not that bad for you.

More people die from smoking EACH YEAR than Jewish people did in the holocaust. So that is a holocaust EVERY year, but we are supposed to just give up and say "oh well it's a personal choice". NO! It's not a personal choice, it's a carefully planned conspiracy to make TRILLIONS of dollars worldwide of the suffering and deaths of ordinary people. People want to smoke because it's addictive and part of our social culture. But this can change, and anyone with a rational mind should be working on CHANGING our culture so it is no longer acceptable to run a corporation that is bent on killing people for profit. That's all this is about, a corporate holocaust! A sick and twisted situation in which the victims actually pay their killer. That would be like the Jews paying the Germans for a daily supply of Zyklon B for 20 years, and then they all die off. Huh, if only Hitler had thought of that? You got to admit. It's clever, devious and downright evil.

And PLEASE. Don't make the communist argument that "it's better for the economy and government if people die", that is just so ignorant and evil it's not even funny and nobody should be making that argument. There is plenty of food, and supplies and energy to support the world's population. Earth could support 100 billion humans, especially as we get more efficient in our science and agriculture. Nobody "needs to die" for a stupid reason like smoking cigarettes. What a waste of human life, all because of an addictive chemical that 20th century corporations have used as their own personal gold mine. If the native americans only knew a few hundred years ago what would happen when they traded their native tobacco plant to europeans.. tobacco must be their karmic revenge on the rest of the world.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #65 on: March 29, 2009, 04:07:47 PM »
A corporate holocaust?  Nobody is taking people away and shoving them in "smoking chambers" to kill them (would take too fuckin long anyway).

Just a tip: you can easily lose an argument by overstating or exaggerating your case.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #66 on: March 29, 2009, 04:13:23 PM »
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A corporate holocaust?  Nobody is taking people away and shoving them in "smoking chambers" to kill them (would take too fuckin long anyway).

Just a tip: you can easily lose an argument by overstating or exaggerating your case.

Ugh.. no matter what I say I "can't lose an argument" on the merits of smoking. Take a look at those statistics again, and try to claim that there is a benefit to smoking. You know you're wrong, and yet you continue to smoke anyways. So either you don't care about your life, you're addicted and in denial, or you're just plain stupid. Care to elaborate on which it is?
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #67 on: March 29, 2009, 04:33:52 PM »
50000 people dying by second hand smoke per year, for example?  You know how that number was arrived at?

Penn and teller did an episode on it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AjXwSJtxGc
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #69 on: March 29, 2009, 05:00:07 PM »
Using a bullet or a rope is one thing, there is no one who needs to pick up the tab except for burial costs.  But cancer is very expensive and the majority of people smoking and dying are living at the bottom end of the economic and educational scale.  That is why education on the subject has failed and also why the rest of society has to support these people for years before they finally pass away.


One solution is to stick another $2.00 tax per pack and put this money towards medical and burial costs.  This would alleviate the burden from the non-smokers and redirect a portion of the welfare monies back into the system.  Every time I see one of those people walking around with tubes coming from their noses or a tank of oxygen I wish I was carrying a pair of scissors.  Also smokers are a selfish breed and are often the loudest people in the emergency room wondering why the wait is so long.  Maybe RJ Reynolds can lace the smokes with something that kills the people more quickly or in a way that results in a less burden on society.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #71 on: March 29, 2009, 05:27:43 PM »
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Ugh.. no matter what I say I "can't lose an argument" on the merits of [insert unwanted behavior here]. Take a look at those statistics again, and try to claim that there is a benefit to  [insert unwanted behavior here]. You know you're wrong, and yet you continue to  [insert unwanted behavior here] anyways. So either you don't care about your life, you're addicted and in denial, or you're just plain stupid. Care to elaborate on which it is?

Take a look at the statistics and try to claim there is a benefit to McDonald's hamburgers.  Or Taco Bell.  Or Gambling.  Or sex.  You know you're wrong, and yet you continue to eat anyways. So either you don't care about your life, you're addicted and in denial, or you're just plain stupid. Care to elaborate on which it is?

So, who decides the line where we start outlawing behaviors?
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #72 on: March 29, 2009, 10:15:27 PM »
How about this... instead of blaming people for their choices, fight the industry. You simply cannot project your values on someone else's personal choices. You can educate, you can express your fear of illness and death but you can't make someone stop doing something they enjoy doing.

I think its funny that you assume I have a defeatist outlook, because most people would call me an idealist. And just so you know in an idealistic society I think tobacco should be made safe to be ingested, not outlawed. The fact that people find all sorts of ways to die is just the reality in life and no matter how many laws you pass or judgments you make against people who do things you don't approve of, people will continue to die. Am I supposed to be sentimental about death when death has been part of life since the beginning. You know back in the day people would regularly die of the common cold, the flu and infection. Due to medical advancements we have been able to drastically improve the average lifespan of humans. However despite our best efforts, death will find a way to satisfy its quota, that's just the way of the world, I see no sense in getting sentimental about it. Unless of course someone close to you is dieing, then of course it is appropriate to care. If Tobacco is taking out millions a year there has got to be a reason for this... and honestly you are crazy if you think our economy, society and population could handle a few million more people living into their nineties. That would absolutely ensure that there would be no resources, social security, property, jobs (and the list could go on) for any of us let alone our future generations. As it is we are pushing the limit, and considering our economic crisis as it is I don't think decreasing population is a bad thing at any rate.

The biggest difference between your argument and those of people who choose to smoke is that they are reserving the right to take the risk in dieing and you seem to be fixated on the reasoning they may have for this. This argument has been had many a time over many a subjects and it will always boil down to freedom of choice. For instance, we could have the same argument about gay/straight sexuality.... you might feel that being gay would have no appeal or benefit for you, but its not right for you to judge people who do enjoy being gay.

You just can't tell any of these people not to do what they choose to do plain and simple, they choose to smoke, and I choose not to care.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #73 on: March 29, 2009, 11:49:08 PM »
Holy fuck. This thread has dragged on for less than a day and is already up to five pages? This is worse than an AA thread.

The anti-smoking stooge sounds like one of those really annoying truth.org people. Fucking self-serving, self-righteous, michael moore worshipping hippies. Go back to Berkeley, bohemian pig-dog. I flick hot ash in your general direction.

As for why I smoke: I smoke to cause as much damage to myself and those around me. It brings me joy. bwa haha. I will destroy the entire world with my habit. Watch out Iraq, watch out North Korea, watch out Pakistan, watch out San Francisco MUNI bus drivers (lazy union bitches). I'm coming for all of you with a pack of fags. Then I will commit suicide by giving myself cancer and emphysema, and make the american taxpayer foot the bill for my radiation treatment, only so I can die the day my course of chemo has ended... simply out of spite.

Fuck  you all, cunt-bubbles.


So anyway, doesn't anyone else want to talk about what they smoke?

Id love me a good cigar right about now. If only I could blow the smoke into a premature baby's face.
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Re: What brand of cigarette do you smoke?
« Reply #74 on: March 30, 2009, 10:42:34 AM »
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So anyway, doesn't anyone else want to talk about what they smoke?
Isn't that what the "I just" thread is for?
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