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« Reply #75 on: August 25, 2003, 08:31:00 PM »
:nworthy: IM WITH YOU SCOTT!!!!!!
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« Reply #76 on: August 26, 2003, 07:13:00 PM »
Maybe this needs to be a separate thread.  It's WAY off the subject.
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« Reply #77 on: August 26, 2003, 11:25:00 PM »
http://www.purerebuttal.com - getting back to basics.  

Karen Z is no longer on the PURE site, but still has a website of her own she refers parents to, so slamming wwasps is a good thing.

Deborah - defends anyone that feels wwasps is a bad thing, yet has no experience of them, and has never said where her (fictitious) children reside, but is very good at links and such.

Spots - grandma extraordinaire - thinks that parents are bad, bad, bad, if they seek help.

yada yada yada....and all of us anons out here trying to figure out fact from fiction.  

Seems like with this class action pending ya'll need to keep up your attacks so you can make a bundle off what you've convinced yourselves of.

It sure didn't take ME long to figure it out.
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« Reply #78 on: August 27, 2003, 03:01:00 AM »
Are you guys for real?  You sound like babies and I think you're supposed to be parents!   :rofl: Betcha never learned what living your life as a victim means.   :rofl: Judy - if your kid said they sat with one book for 6 hours a day and you believed it, you're just as bad as your kid.  What did you do, go to the seminars and staff to look good??   :rofl:
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« Reply #79 on: August 27, 2003, 05:02:00 AM »
WWASP and academics? Give me a break! Their so called ?School Program? is a joke! If you call starring at a 1980?s out dated science book for half an hour a day, and 90% of the students cheating on a multiple choice test a education, then yes, WWASP has an education program.
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« Reply #80 on: August 27, 2003, 11:24:00 AM »
That's the key,

"you have seen many in their magazine."  Is that the same gloosy magaize with kids riidng jorses? The one with kids with smiling faces ,heads uo ,looking out?

The one where kids are playing in the ocean?

I have learned the hard way ,don't believe what you read. Don't believe what you hear .Don't believe what you are told by Teen Help associates who recieve a huge referral fee.

Fraud fraud fraud
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« Reply #81 on: August 27, 2003, 11:31:00 AM »
I've heard this drivel about Samoa "choosing" to be closed down before.  For what reason did the operator "choose" to shut down?  

Did Samoa shut down because the operator had achieved all his goals-- there just wasn't a market for teens needing help anymore?  He had already made all the money in world and became arm-weary from carrying it to the bank everyday?

I suppose with your new PR firm, your next strategy will be to pass off the closure of Dundee as merely a voluntary "choice" also.  After all,  Narvin voluntarily "chose" to ignore Costa Rican immigration law,  and brought in 100s of kids without legal visas.  Narvin "chose"  to operate in a fashion that he had to hire six different directors within an 18 months period.  (Did he "choose" incompetent managers,  or did the managers "choose" not to be accessories to his depredations?)

Narvin  "chose" to induce hundreds of parents to send their kids thousands of miles away from home --- while overlooking the fact that as a matter of Costa Rican law,  human beings over age 14 cannot be held against their will.  Narvin "chose" to operate in Costa Rica because he thought he could avoid those nasty regulators (like the ones in the U.S.  that shut down Provo Canyon Boys Ranch and Brightway) He just "chose" to forget that he might be subject to different local laws.  

And then when the stuff hits the fan,  its NOT the fault of the management who made these choices. Nooooo! BLAME THE PROSECUTOR FOR ENFORCING THE LAW!  Did it occur to anyone that that Costa Rica (and most of the other nations of the world) might have a legitimate interest in protecting the rights of 14 year old humans from incarceration without a semblance of due process?  And further,  that that interest might conceivaby outweigh the interest of a for-profit operator of a private incarceration facility?

Pray tell,  was the Dundee program an example of WILLFUL disregard of local law or just GROSS NEGLIGENCE in exposing the inmates to a situation that became inevitable as a direct result of management's voluntary choices?

As for the "temporary" nature of the shutdown,  it seems both sides are distancing themselves from each other.  Narvin was quoted a few weeks ago in the Costa Rican Tico Times as saying his new plan is to re-open as a more coventional boarding school (like his local Competitor, Coronado Academy) which probably won't be affiliated with WWASPs.  Meanwhile, the boys at the home office in Utah are getting themselves a new PR firm and mumbling about how the unfortunate situation in Costa Rica was just so darn unfair, not representative of their swell program, yadda, yadda...

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am an angry, wrathful man,  put here to step on the toes of those who dance around the truth (ex WWASPers may acknowledge the sarcasm)

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« Reply #82 on: August 28, 2003, 08:02:00 PM »
For all those that are so "vocal" about being victims, do you stand to make a lot of money in the supposed law suit and need to keep up the stories, or can you see your own accountability in finding that your choice was not what you needed for your "not that bad" teen?  ANY behavior mod program is usually for teens that are out of the parents control.  If you chose this for your child because they were just experiencing normal teen growth, what have you learned?
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« Reply #83 on: August 28, 2003, 08:08:00 PM »
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On 2003-08-26 15:51:00, KarenZ wrote:

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I was told quit specifically Dundee was a School.

When I and others complained about the lack of information we were able to get about the classes our kids were taking or how they were progressing ~in School~, we got the same crap and pabulum the anon poster above just laddled out - Your child isn't there for schooling, are they?

Well, Yes!

Among other things.

The schooling was a major factor, and I expected it to be advanced and progressive and high quality; just as I had been assured it would be.

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SPECIALTY BOARDING SCHOOL - Not a conventional boarding school.  Does "SCHOOL" have to mean academia?  I view school as any place where we learn.  That includeslearning about choices.
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« Reply #84 on: August 28, 2003, 08:59:00 PM »
Uhhhh, yeah.  Actually a school does have to be about academia. That's pretty much the definition of school.

If all you get is education about choices,  you probably wouldn't get any kind of accreditation. If you call yourself a school and provide nothing more than basic correspondence courses,  an honest and carrying person should be expected to be upfront about the quality of what is actually being provided.

Given the litany of dubious achievements based on the WWASP choices making discussed below,  I think they would make a wonderful business school case study on how to start out with a golden goose and turn it into a pile of scrambled eggs.
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« Reply #85 on: August 28, 2003, 09:50:00 PM »
Hey, Sue,PURE, what do you think about the schooling part?  Do all the "schools" you refer to have traditional classrooms/books?  Probably not.  Does ANYONE know of specialty/behavior modification schools that do?  Just curious.

This is very funny in a way.  You send a not so troubled teen to a behavior modification school for textbook learning?  Who's the stupid one?
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« Reply #86 on: August 28, 2003, 09:54:00 PM »
[ This Message was edited by: KarenZ on 2003-10-17 15:27 ]
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« Reply #87 on: August 28, 2003, 10:13:00 PM »
Actually Karen, No, I would never put my child in harms way, that's why I had him admitted to a wwasps school. During the time my child was in the school, I never once felt he was not being loved and cared for and learning to live in a bigger way.  Drastic yes, but I know it was never abusive emotionally or physically.  You've got some obsession going on within yourself that only negative thinkers will agree with.  I'm here to tell you the truth...in a den of wolves, or whatever you call yourselves. My question to you.  were you there? I wasn't, so I have my truth about the schools I do.  Dundee is gone, maybe for good, maybe not, but what is your purpose in dragging all the wwasps schools down because you and a few others are unhappy with your choice? I've heard no accountability from you on this.  You chose a school in Costa Rica?  What the hell is that all about?  Planning on  little resort vacation or what??
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« Reply #88 on: August 29, 2003, 12:38:00 AM »
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"...I know it was never abusive emotionally or physically.  You've got some obsession going on within yourself that only negative thinkers will agree with.


In response to a very detailed and intelligent post from Karen Z, the above-quoted material came as response.  One person says what she believes and gives a genuine reasonable array of information for readers to mull over.  Another person says "I know, etc.", and procedes to slash and froth and sputter...again.  Give it a rest.

BESIDES, CHECK OUT THIS OLD TIME-WORN ABUSED DO-NOTHING STUPID TOPIC, and drop it.  It's a dead horse.  Post about something else or pick another topic.
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« Reply #89 on: August 29, 2003, 12:44:00 AM »
Dundee was sold as a resort  of a sort. Get your facts straight. Why do you think parents are so angry.

All wwasp schools ARE abusive. SCl is number one abusive.

Overcrowed, understaffed, fraudulent,fake drs. It goes on and on. Cameron hits the kids .The piece of fat shit.

He too will be held accountable Family reps that lie too.
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