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Offline Anne Bonney

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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #120 on: February 28, 2008, 02:00:50 PM »
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You will need to produce some evidence this time Anne,  the last few times you opened you mouth and we asked for proof you cut bait and ran.....

The only thing I couldn't find was the original post re: Marcus.  I admitted that.

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cough it up... and make it a clinical study, peer reviewed, long term study that was written this century.  Or at least something that includes todays therapeutic boarding schools.


How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof?????   You guys claim to be able to fix these kids.  You claim that your programs 'work' yet you won't name any and can provide no proof that they do, in fact, 'work'.  Why is this so difficult for you to comprehend?  Do you have a learning disability?? 


Again...


Who:  Programs are great and help many kids.

Us:  Really?  Which ones and please cite your sources.

Who:  No, you prove they don't work.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #121 on: February 28, 2008, 02:02:08 PM »
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Who, you agreed the ignore user feature was a good idea.  Now you circumvent it, to inflict yourself on everyone?  Were things to peaceful while you were ignored? 

Log in, "my man".



Must be a lonely life he leads.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #122 on: February 28, 2008, 02:06:00 PM »
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We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out.  I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.

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We all?  How many of you work as thewho? 

Anyway, that's what I wanted you to post.  Now, post the "information", or be revealed (once again) as a lying shill.

Post away, you "all" have the information.  You have my permission.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #123 on: February 28, 2008, 02:11:37 PM »
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Question for everyone: Who was the OP on this thread?

It was me. do I win a cookie?

No, I am not TheWho or CCM like some seem to think.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2008, 02:14:02 PM »
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof????? 



So we can safely say you came up empty.  So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded.  Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.



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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #125 on: February 28, 2008, 02:15:34 PM »
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Who, you are a really terrible liar...it's quite obvious that it's you.  :D

(I would've known this even without the three dots.)

I definitely ain't theWho. lol
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #126 on: February 28, 2008, 02:16:01 PM »
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Question for everyone: Who was the OP on this thread?

It was me. do I win a cookie?

No, I am not TheWho or CCM like some seem to think.

Well, I didn't think it was CCM since you used 'big words' like "rhetoric" and "implementation."

And it didn't quite sound like theWho either...

I dunno...I guess you could chalk it up to mild curiosity.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #127 on: February 28, 2008, 02:17:55 PM »
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Actually Zen the anon makes some valid points. It is creepy that people collect IPs. Wasn't aware psy did that, but it wouldn't surprise me.
I don't keep lists like that other Admin you referred to did.  If you have a problem, take it up with ginger, please.  People:  There are only two admins on this forum.  Me, and Ginger.  Neither of us have ever... ever... released a single IP address to anybody.  I take orders from her and follow them.  I just work here.  Stop blaming me for things that other admins might have done in the past.  Even the admin you refer to who kept the list only did it for her own organizational purposes, and only in the forum where he/she was already a moderator (a moderated forum).  Do you want to hurt Fornits, Che?  Do you have an agenda?  Is this personal?  Take it up with Ginger and stop trying to scare the forum populace if you have a problem with me.  Doing that just proves to me that you care more about your personal quibbles than the overall welfare of the forum.

Need I mention the time, before I became an admin, that You violated the forum's confidence, gave me TheWho's IP address, and told me to disseminate it (which I didn't).  This was when he posted in the facilities questions forum.  You are such a fucking hypocrite, Che.  Maybe Angela is right about you.  I keep wondering how Benchmark knew we were coming and why most of the kids were already gone when we got there.  I don't trust you anymore, Che.  You go around spreading lies about me and others.  Is it personal, or professional, Che?

when are you yahoos going to realize, he's here for one reason. to kill this forum. plan is going well, just a little behind schedule. or maybe not. what was it che? 6 or 8 month projection?
don't you notice how he highjacks other people's projects. critiques everything, any effort, as if he were Lord Fornits. runs people off who aren't in step with his protest plan being the only method to shutdown the industry. how lame. protesting isn't going to do jack shit in the big picture. but it keeps his ego inflated while he sits on his fat ass on the other side of the world dictating what everyone else should do, while he does jack shit except get drunk and chase scanky legged whores.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #128 on: February 28, 2008, 02:20:42 PM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof????? 



So we can safely say you came up empty.  So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded.  Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.



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SPEAKING OF PROOF, WHO... ;D
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #129 on: February 28, 2008, 02:22:52 PM »
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How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof????? 



So we can safely say you came up empty.  So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded.  Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.



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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.

Hopefully someone will end up going ballistic before too long and start offing some of these lying shitbags, then let's see what happens and how many people still want to go into "the industry." I'm not afraid to say that I hope that this happens, as there is no crime in hoping. Anyway, this debate has become tiresome at best.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #130 on: February 28, 2008, 02:27:29 PM »
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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.

Hopefully someone will end up going ballistic before too long and start offing some of these lying shitbags, then let's see what happens and how many people still want to go into "the industry." I'm not afraid to say that I hope that this happens, as there is no crime in hoping. Anyway, this debate has become tiresome at best.



Yep, you're right.  Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.


What if........


Big Pharma:   We have a new drug that will make your kids behave.

Us:  What is the name and please provide your research to prove it works and that it is safe.

Big Pharma:  Nope, you prove it doesn't work and/or is dangerous.




Wonder how well that would go over?
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #131 on: February 28, 2008, 02:31:16 PM »
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Quote from: "OH WEHT"
Quote from: "Anne Bonney"


How is it possible that you don't get that those claiming efficacy have the burden of proof????? 



So we can safely say you came up empty.  So your claims that these programs are abusive are unfounded.  Like you said the burden of proof falls on the shoulders of those who make the claims.



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SPEAKING OF PROOF, WHO... ;D
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #132 on: February 28, 2008, 02:33:34 PM »
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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.



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Round and round we go. This is fucking useless. Anne, you should quit right here, as at this point he is doing nothing but wasting your time. The burden of proof is on the programs who claim to be able to fix kids, end of story. There is plenty of goddamn evidence to the contrary, so let the programs defend themselves if they can.

The is some evidence via books written and short term studies.  I have seen many schools collecting and publishing data on the effectiveness of their program.  But there are no long term studies that I am aware of that support the claims either way.
So until such time these studies are done we just need to rely on the studies we have and the feedback from the parents and students.
So if someone claims the programs are ineffective or abusive then that needs to be backed up via a study of some sort.  As far as studies and data go the evidence tilts overwhelmingly in favor of the programs being effective.
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« Reply #133 on: February 28, 2008, 02:35:17 PM »
Whatever, Who...'we' don't "have to" rely on shit, now do 'we'?

Get back to us when you have something conclusive.
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Re: bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.
« Reply #134 on: February 28, 2008, 02:36:07 PM »
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As far as studies and data go the evidence tilts overwhelmingly in favor of the programs being effective.




Proof asshole!!!!!!




Ok, ok.  I'm really done.  Days over, I'm outta here.
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