bury this rotting carcass, it's starting to stink.

[Anonymous]

Secondly, Fornits shouldn’t be hijacked by a small group from a traditionally abusive rtc. The YLF forum shouldn’t be on top. The rtcs and cults discussed inside already have their forums. I feel like some program parents don’t “need” this forum emotionally and have turned it into a place where insults about being gay and poor, and orders to identify yourself have replaced communication. They aren’t interested n communication but a bully-pulpit platform which has resulted in a corresponding decline of other voices.

ditto. and how's about that sea org forum. how did it rate so high up the list? who decided the placement of forums? if you want to be totally fair and democratic, list them by the date they were created or by number of posts.

[TheWho]

Yep, you're right.  Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.


What if........


Anne Boleyn:   The drugs you produce are killing people left and right.
Pharms:  What people?  How many, how do you know it was the drug?  What else were they taking?

Anne Boleyn:  I read on a forum that some people died and they said it was due to the drugs.
Pharm: Isnt it possible it could be due to other factors, maybe not following amounts or combining them with other drugs?
Anne Boleyn:  No its not, my friends on the forum said it was due to the drugs
Pharm: How many friends we talking about?
Anne Boleyn: 15 maybe
Pharm:  You realize we distribute more than a million pills a day………Are your friends educated in the field or perfom any controlled studies.
Anne Boleyn:  No they don’t have any degrees you fucking piece of crap.  The drug should be removed from the shelf because I said so and for no other reason, you got that ?
Pharm:  Sure, Anne, here take one of these and relax.

Anne Boleyn:  Don’t tell me what to do, I fucking hate when people say that shit.
Pharm:  Okay how about one of these, this is easier to swallow.
 :guesswho:

[ZenAgent]

We all got the same information on you except you flipped out, cried foul and wanted the person banned for giving the information out.  I seems its okay to get background information on people as long as it isn’t yourself.

..

We all?  How many of you work as thewho? 

Anyway, that's what I wanted you to post.  Now, post the "information", or be revealed (once again) as a lying shill.

Post away, you "all" have the information.  You have my permission.

I'm still waiting, who.   

If you admit that you lied and made it up, I won't respect you any less...LOL.

So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.

[Froderik]

So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.

Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA...

[Anne Bonney]

Yep, you're right.  Since he likes analogies, I'll give him a last one and let it go.


What if........


Anne Boleyn:   The drugs you produce are killing people left and right.
Pharms:  What people?  How many, how do you know it was the drug?  What else were they taking?

[ZenAgent]

So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.

Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA...

Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.

[TheWho]

So come on, you're starting to look like a dodger.

Starting to??? Now I know you've been around longer than that, ZA...

Yeah, well...and you know I'd hate to lose all the respect I have for him 'cos he's a liar, don't you know.

Ah, trying to shame me into it Zen?  How about the info you have on CCM first.. it was you who spoke first.  Fes, up.
 :guesswho:

[Anonymous]

You want proof, here you go:

Go away, please, or I'll post that chat where you suggested that I was worthless, had no life, and should go massacre a program ("kill them all" are the exact words you used, so don't try and claim you didn't mean to "take them out" (to dinner) like you did earlier today.  As I've said, you made far too many mistakes.  I don't normally log chats, but I do when I feel somebody is potentially mentally unstable enough to go off the deep end (like you did today).  I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested).  Tor nodes can't save you from chat transcripts.  I don't want to do it, but if you don't stay the fuck off this site and stop impersonating survivors, I won't hesitate.  I only have so much pity.

Toodles!

Psy keeps chat logs as he admits, why is it such a stretch for people to believe he keeps IP logs? The user he was threatening (me) is not this person Milk. He couldn't know, because I was using a proxy - the only sure way to ensure your anonymity now. Since Psy became admin, I had a hunch he could not be trusted with my IP information, and I was right.  I suggest others do so as well if they are concerned with their anonymity in light of these threats from Psy. If he is willing to threaten a survivor this way, what will he do to pro-program parents or graduates?

Another example of Psy's threatening behavior:

Guest types the following into the shoutbox:

guest-6d53: kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage

guest-6d53: they should do what they need to do

guest-6d53: they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave

guest-6d53: take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary

Psy respond with the following:

psy: Look.  If you're publicly promiting comitting violent acts, i'll have to check what my legal responsibilities are.  I might have to report this to the appropriate authorities.

psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities... I doubt they'd interpret "rise up and take them out" as anything other than what you stated it to be.

Psy then banned the person. They couldn't read the shoutbox from that point on. This was his explanation for why when someone else asked why he did that:

psy: er...  I'll explain why I did it..
psy: mostly it was to make the person piss in his or her pants about what they were stupid enough to type without a proxy
psy: lol
psy: yeah... and they can't read this since I banned em from reading and posting... so he/she is probably biting nails, wondering if the cops are comign.. lol
psy: Oh.. i could have actually called the cops...  lol

Hardy, Har, Har - so funny Psy. So fucking hilarious you threaten users with police!

Read complete transcript here: http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?topic=24903

What Psy didn't know is I was using a proxy. His attempt to make me "piss my pants" did not work because I protected myself - glad I did so.

If he is going to alert authorities to such a vague "threat", then why does he post things like this:

Go fuck yourself Sue...  I truly hope you die in a very, very painful manner.  Cancer, preferably.

You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them. 


I have just posted two examples of Psy threatening to turn over IP addresses of two different posters to police in the course of just one day. Laugh at me. Agree with him that my statements were somehow worse than the countless other "threats" you read on fornits. But when it happens to you - when an admin tells you they are turning your IP over to police who are coming to get you at any moment- don't say you weren't warned. I am not some crazy person. I was a regular fornits poster until I felt it no longer safe to post without being pressured or threatened by certain "activists" with access to user information and IP. I figured out how to use proxies and that's the only reason I am posting now.

Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

For those who have a short attention span, these quotes really say it all:

I still have quite a few aces up my sleeve, Milk, and i am in a position to decimate you if I wanted to (and that includes having you arrested). 

psy: oh... I'm just saying that I might have to take that IP address, poster 6d53, and give it to the authorities...

This should be enough for people to realize what type of person they are dealing with.

[Anonymous]

Also, I forgot to mention!!!!!!! The altering of my posts, I really LOVED that!!!!!!

That happened when Che got admin privs and immediately abused them by deleting the ASR thread, Giving Niles admin privs (who, afaik, was the one to edit your posts) and generally raised all sorts of hell. He called this immature act of idiocy his "Jihad on Admins".  He's been nothing but a loose cannon on this forum, IMO, posting that he is drunk, on drugs, screwing hookers, etc... At the same time he acts like he wants parents to take what he has to say seriously...  Come on...

I'm not the first person to think that he does this on purpose but was unwilling to entertain the idea until he started going behind my back and lying about me.  I then looked closer and caught him lying about others...  I don't have to name names..  People are starting to figure this out on their own.

yeh, well he's got one admin to go, you. he wants no one to know what he does anon. let's take as an example, when he talks shit about regulars posting porn, glorifying himself as the only admin ever to delete porn, while all the time posting porn anonymously. he'd prefer no one be able to see his shady underside.
and always the same response. he won't dignify it with a response. put on the tin foil hat.
people should be figuring it out, but they may have to experience it first hand. just a matter of time. his MO is chaos, division, attack on those who won't follow him.

[Anonymous]

You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them. 
Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.

if psy is bad for fornits, how can your comments about taking out staff be "good" for fornits? explanation please? were you expressing a passing fantacy? were you hoping some mentally distressed kid would read your words and act on them? what exactly did you intend when you said that? not many ways it can be taken. if in jest, a fantasy, great. why didn't you say so.
how did server-hopping due to legal threats help fornits or any of the people who had to take time to straighten that out benefit fornits? as intended by a few wiley sorts, fornits is dying, and will die if those who care don't open their damn eyes. what will be, will be.

[TheWho]

Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum.  Dont you have any boundaries?  Dont give me the crap that it was already public.  If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.

http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123
 :guesswho:

[Anonymous]

You can bash me for bringing this up again, but when someone threatens you with police action you might start taking sides in this debate. Psy is bad for this forum, bad for free speech and uses his admin power to intimidate, and then laugh at posters who are in fear that police are coming to get them. 
Unless Psy's access to IP and poster information is completely blocked, this site is not to be trusted, in my opinion.

if psy is bad for fornits, how can your comments about taking out staff be "good" for fornits? explanation please? were you expressing a passing fantacy? were you hoping some mentally distressed kid would read your words and act on them? what exactly did you intend when you said that? not many ways it can be taken. if in jest, a fantasy, great. why didn't you say so.
how did server-hopping due to legal threats help fornits or any of the people who had to take time to straighten that out benefit fornits? as intended by a few wiley sorts, fornits is dying, and will die if those who care don't open their damn eyes. what will be, will be.

What post is "good for fornits?" Who will decide this? I am not an activist or part of any "click" or subgroup on fornits, I express my opinion freely in what I thought was a forum allowing freedom of speech.

Free speech means people can post their opinions, even if it offends others, as my comments have obviously offended you and Psy.

What did I intend? I intended to make a statement, that kids who have decided they want to leave can do so. There is an incident where the inmates hit the staff with a pan on the head and drove away. They got out. If these programs are as abusive as claimed, then this should be justified.

Is Psy wishing Sue Scheff dies a horrible death "good for fornits?" Server hopping is due to Sue Scheff, not anything I ever posted, and who started that war? Psy did, and he was not even referred to a program by her.

I stand by my statements.

"kids should take out staff then free themsleves from bondage

they should do what they need to do

they should rise up and take the staff out of their way and leave

take the staff out of their position of power using whatever means they deem necessary"

Nothing is illegal about what I said nor did I threaten anyone in any way.



If you think admins threatening posters they are going to forward their IP to police and getting a chuckle out of it, is "good for fornits" , then we have a serious disagreement about this particular issue. At the very least we agree fornits is dying.

[ZenAgent]

Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum.  Dont you have any boundaries?  Dont give me the crap that it was already public.  If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.

http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

[TheWho]

Zen, posting peoples personal information on the open forum.  Dont you have any boundaries?  Dont give me the crap that it was already public.  If she wanted the information out there she would put it in her footer or make it public herself.

http://fornits.com/smf/index.php?PHPSESSID=3u9d2cfdh168l9llh5ke5omsr3&topic=24719.msg305123#msg305123

You notice I left a lot of blanks?

DON'T ask for what you DON'T WANT....I've got as many boundaries as you, who.  Obviously.

Now, honor your end and post something other than a dead thread.  You're not giving me FACTS, just re-hashes.

Share your "information".

Now I'll honor my end and delete the above.

I gave you what I have.  If I have any personal information I would not post it here.  I am not like you. :guesswho: