Define the Ideal TBS

[TheWho]

We are aware of this

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

We
pron.
1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: "How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?" Virginia Woolf.

Typically (on fornits) I will use it to refer to people in general (#2).  But in the post you are referring to I was using it as defined in #1, referring to MIS and myself.

So I think the majority of us understand the meaning and its usage when I use it.  I hope this clears it up for you.



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I dont think it clears it up at all.  I dont think she reads much is the problem.

[TheWho]

We are aware of this

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

We
pron.
1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: "How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?" Virginia Woolf.

Typically (on fornits) I will use it to refer to people in general (#2).  But in the post you are referring to I was using it as defined in #1, referring to MIS and myself.

So I think the majority of us understand the meaning and its usage when I use it.  I hope this clears it up for you.



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I dont think it clears it up at all.  I dont think she reads much is the problem.

Now, now dont pick on someone because they dont read well or understand stuff.

[TheWho]

I have incorporated the list we have been working on with MIS's list.  We still need to add a few items from the parents emails to address items like fences within the TBS grounds, but I wanted to get this  up so we could continue to work on it.

1)   The schools will provide the minimum education required in the state in which the school resides.  The right and obligation of adolescents to an education will be acknowledged and not treated as a privilege which must be earned.  The ability for the children to earn high school diplomas and take the PSAT and SAT's should also be considered.

2)   The TBS will provide care to the child which is consistent with the standard of care for that illness.

3)   The TBS will conduct background checks on all employees prior to hiring them.

4)   TBS’s  will not accept adolescents who are picked up by transport  services unless the child refuses to travel with the parents first.

5)   All guardians, which have physical custody of the child shall be in agreement prior to placement. 
6)   TBS’s will include in their promotional material specific details on the educational levels and certifications of all employees providing professional services. The distinction between services being provided by licensed professional and services being provided by others will be made clear.

7)   TBS’s will make available information about the number of adolescents  admitted to the program in the past five years and the number that successfully “graduated” from the program.

8 ) All TBS will make it clear that it does not approve or tolerate physical abuse of adolescents, the withholding of food or sleep as therapy or punishment, and the humiliation of adolescents as therapy.   reporting sexual and other abuse to the proper authorities (all staff that treat kids will be mandatory reporters of child abuse to the state where the abuse allegedly occured).

9)   All facilities will permit adolescents regular and unmonitored contact with their parents after an initial blackout period.  Including, but not limited to, Periodic "unmonitored" phone calls should be available to the adolescents.


10)   Individual therapy should be provided by an unaffiliated therapist. The family should be involved and the facility should  be as close to the family's home as is reasonably possible.  Unless the treatment is specifically approved by an outside therapist it must be evidence based and consistent with any applicable standard of care..

[Anonymous]

I am done with this now but I can't resist asking who the "we" is now?  The list you have produced now has nothing to do with anything I wrote.  In fact, you have taken what I wrote and reworded what I wrote to be exactly the opposite of the point I was trying to make.  You really are a shameless tout of the worst kind.
 Fortunately there is now a record in three different threads of what I wrote, of your initial responses, of your retreat and yourrefusal to answer fair questions.    It is priceless tout!  In a field that shamelessly manipulates frightened parents you shamelessly tout and lie on this board. Bye tout!

[TheWho]

I am done with this now but I can't resist asking who the "we" is now?  The list you have produced now has nothing to do with anything I wrote.  In fact, you have taken what I wrote and reworded what I wrote to be exactly the opposite of the point I was trying to make.  You really are a shameless tout of the worst kind.
 Fortunately there is now a record in three different threads of what I wrote, of your initial responses, of your retreat and yourrefusal to answer fair questions.    It is priceless tout!  In a field that shamelessly manipulates frightened parents you shamelessly tout and lie on this board. Bye tout!

Ahh, sorry to see ya go, MS


Well, I do have to say you hung in longer than I thought you would.  You had a list of 10 items, which you generated on your own and as soon as you were asked to accept input from other people you folded and ran away.  If you are not interested in input from other people then I suggest you don’t post it on fornits.

One of the snags you got yourself into was trying to apply 10 items to various types of industry.  You cant expect a 6 week wilderness program to have the same academic requirements as a boarding school (for example) so you literally set yourself up for failure right out of the box.  I tried to lead you away from that demise but it seems you insisted.

I have taken the liberty of rewriting your list to apply to TBS’s only and cut out some of the wording which was redundant or lacked value.  The list was a very good first cut, MIS, so don’t feel it was written in vain.  This list will help serve parents in that they can carry it with them and use it as a benchmark or tickler when visiting campuses.
If you get the chance to come back next Sunday, check in and see if there is anything you would like to add as we progress.  We will be writing a similar list for wilderness programs after we get this one hammered down.

Take care and good discussion.



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[Botched Programming]

Here is where we left off:

#1- Individual therapy should be provided by an unaffiliated therapist. The family should be involved and the facility should  be as close to the family's home as is reasonably possible.
#2 -Periodoc "unmonitored" phone calls should be available to the adolescents.
#3-A fixed or predetermined length of stay... or maybe a small window of 14 -16 months..... 6-9 months .... 30 - 60 days etc. depending on the school/program.
#4 -Unless the treatment is specifically approved by an outside therapist it must be evidence based and consistent with any applicable standard of care.
#5-reporting sexual and other abuse to the proper authorities (all staff that treat kids will be mandatory reporters of child abuse to the state where the abuse allegedly occured).
#6-The ability for the children to earn high school diplomas and take the PSAT and SAT's.
#7- No scare tactics
#8- No Fences
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NERP....... This is where we left off!!!!!

(9) That never opens their door for business so that parents are not lied to and conned by industry shills.

(10) That gives a money back guarantee with interest to the child if the child was not completely satisfied no matter how many years it is down the road when the "Happy happy joy joy" of the brainwashing wears off as well as gives the press an honest "Programs are full of shit and are only there to suck parents funds with no real success stories" statement.

(11) That do not hire industry shills to come on chat forums in a futile attempt to convince parents that there may be some validity to the lies that the shill gives saying that programs are such a fucking ray of hope for a troubled teen.

(12) That lines staff members as well as the owners and the stock holders up against a wall, and lets the unsatified people (whether they were in the program or not) stone the them to death.

(13) That petitions the government to shut down all program facilities due to the fact that they all are a bunch of abusive pricks to kids (parents included) and only suck the life and extort money from people.

(14) That only exists in the mind of a derranged psycopath that comes onto a forum where people do not like them, and only tolerates them due to freedom of speech.

[Botched Programming]

We are aware of this

You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

[size=180] He should really use phases that relect singular status such as "I, me, my, and mine"

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

MIS was just as rude a thewho

Bullshit.

[Dr Fucktard]

MIS was just as rude a thewho

Bullshit.

Na-nee-na-nee-boo-boo.

[Anonymous]

[AuntieEm2]

Anne Bonney wrote:

I think that's the crux of the problem though (pathologizing adolescence) and if that can somehow be addressed, maybe just maybe things might begin to change.

Right on the money, Anne.

Auntie Em

[Anonymous]

No one really needs a TBS. People have problems. But problems aren't solved by being locked away from your problems. They need to be confronted and dealt with.

This goes for kids with real mental illness, too. My best friend is and 18 year old who is "afraid" that she has built and planted a bomb without knowing it, and that their are babies in garbage cans. She obsesses about this. If you go out with her on a bad day, she'll ask you to check the garbage for babies, or beneath the chair for bombs a dozen times. She works THROUGH her mental issues with meds and acupuncture and leads a "normal" rewarding life.

Places to treat mental crises so intense one needs to be in an institution already exist. They are called HOSPITALS. They should be used only until an emergency passes (one is an IMMEDIATE danger to themselves or others). Otherwise, people should have home based, individually oriented care. And a functional parent- therein lies the problem.

[Anonymous]

Well I am glad to see this thread and I'm offended by it at the same time.  There's a lot of good information and some bad.

First, I'm offended that people here think that all a child needs is good parenting.  I have a child that is schizophrenic, the paranoid type.  He refuses to take medication that would help, because he's afraid of it.  As a parent I don't have any legal power to force medication upon him.  I can call the police if he's an imminent threat to himself or others and this has happened.  My son believed his mother was having someone come over to beat him up so he armed himself with a hatchet.  When the police arrived he had it in his hand.  Luckily they didn't shoot him.  Then the few times he has been in the hospital, they kept him for a week or less then released him suggesting we take him to a psychiatrist to follow up.  Well he refuses to see a psychiatrist, therapist or any doctor for that matter.  He's bigger and stronger than I so don't tell me to man handle him like the police once suggested either!  I could go on about the delusions and hallucinations for a long time, but I won't bore you.  The information I've read about my son's illness suggests that it's one of the worst you can have.  His odds in life are prison, death or homelessness.  So the cookie cutter idea that good parenting is all a child needs doesn't hold water.  It seems that my sons best hope is some sort of long term treatment where he'll take medication and get therapy as well as an education.  

Second I'm glad that there are people that want to make sure that children are safe in programs like this.  In that regard I'm glad you're here.  I love my son dearly.  I don't want to see him hurt in any way.  Please keep up the good work.  Just lay off the absolute idea that good parenting is a cure all.

I'd write more, but I'm probably wasting my time here.  At least it felt good.  I fully expect some illogical, moronic, flamer to have a go at me so have fun.

[Anonymous]

You're not even a real person, so why bother?

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