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Offline TheWho

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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2008, 03:01:55 PM »
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Ugh. Now I feel ill.

Post that picture of you on the boat then!!  That always made you feel better!
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2008, 03:10:48 PM »
Yeah, it usually does.  But if I know its for your benefit, I just get sick to my stomach.
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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #62 on: February 22, 2008, 12:24:26 AM »
To DieYuppieScum
Wow, your name is super mature
and you have absolutely no right to be saying that you think parents should just do their fucking job and raise their young right.
i got sent away and believe me you ignorant piece of shit my parents are the most amazing parents ever and there was no way they could have raised me any better or done anything different to try and keep me out of trouble. i was unstoppable and the only way they could help me was to send me away because my reality was so obstructed and scewed. I wish upon you a child just like me so you will understand that its not just as simple as "doing your fucking job" to raise a good kid. Ignorant FUCK.
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #63 on: February 22, 2008, 04:10:50 AM »
Hey Aly Guess what? I don't care and frankly don't believe you went anywhere. Granted I may be wrong. But I don't trust guests that come in once, talk shit and then disappear off the face of the planet.

Don't tell me about being sent away because 5 years of my life were sucked away and trust me champ I did some bad things but none of them required me to go to Dante's third ring of hades to get the message in that it was not socially acceptable.

When you hit the point that you willingly hold someones face to a bunson burner for refusing to pay you ice money... then we will talk, but something tells me you are just another trust fund baby that smoked pot on the weekends and refused to do your homework. And thats even if you truly even went (which I doubt)

I don't care if your folks were saints. If you can't raise kids, don't have them. Put your cock back in your drawers and beat off in to a sock and save the child all the unneeded mental stress you would put on them by sending them to rehab.

"really mature" what makes you think I give two cunt stains what you think is mature?

My name bothers you? Too bad, go piss up a rope and open your mouth to catch the stream.
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #64 on: February 22, 2008, 10:23:53 AM »
Well said, DYS. The bonehead you replied to deserved every word of that "immaturity" because:

1. If they are for real, then they should see the truth in the statement that parents should raise their own kids instead of passing them off to be 'fixed,' even if they think that approach worked for them.

2. If not, then they're merely trolling in support of the (almost always) false notion that programs are helpful.
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #65 on: February 22, 2008, 02:13:12 PM »
Here is where we left off:

#1- Individual therapy should be provided by an unaffiliated therapist. The family should be involved and the facility should  be as close to the family's home as is reasonably possible.
#2 -Periodoc "unmonitored" phone calls should be available to the adolescents.
#3-A fixed or predetermined length of stay... or maybe a small window of 14 -16 months..... 6-9 months .... 30 - 60 days etc. depending on the school/program.
#4 -Unless the treatment is specifically approved by an outside therapist it must be evidence based and consistent with any applicable standard of care.
#5-reporting sexual and other abuse to the proper authorities (all staff that treat kids will be mandatory reporters of child abuse to the state where the abuse allegedly occured).
#6-The ability for the children to earn high school diplomas and take the PSAT and SAT's.
#7- No scare tactics
#8- No Fences
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #66 on: February 22, 2008, 02:58:32 PM »
This list is well intentioned, I'm sure but what good is it?  There were 'rules' and 'laws' that Straight was supposed to be following too.  And the language of things like "no scare tactics" is left wide open for interpretation and THAT, when dealing with control freak psychos like program staff, is dangerous.  Scare tactics can mean anything from threatening to beat them within an inch of their lives, to instilling the fear of abandonment from their families if they don't conform and 'get with the program' or 'start working their program'.
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #67 on: February 22, 2008, 06:29:34 PM »
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This list is well intentioned, I'm sure but what good is it?  There were 'rules' and 'laws' that Straight was supposed to be following too.  And the language of things like "no scare tactics" is left wide open for interpretation and THAT, when dealing with control freak psychos like program staff, is dangerous.  Scare tactics can mean anything from threatening to beat them within an inch of their lives, to instilling the fear of abandonment from their families if they don't conform and 'get with the program' or 'start working their program'.

We are aware of this and understand that goes for any of the items.  I think MIS's intent was to define and "ideal"... not sure how we would insure all the items are adhered to yet but the first step would be to define a wish list of what would constitute an ideal TBS.
Once the list is defined the next step would be to figure out how implement it or use it as a benchmark to measure each TBS against.



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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #68 on: February 22, 2008, 06:38:02 PM »
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We are aware of this



You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.


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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #69 on: February 22, 2008, 07:22:28 PM »
Inconceivable!
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #70 on: February 23, 2008, 12:09:54 AM »
Don't forget the R.O.U.S's

(They DO exist)
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #71 on: February 23, 2008, 12:56:47 AM »
Yes, the rodents of unusual size....I know they do.
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #72 on: February 23, 2008, 10:44:52 AM »
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Quote from: "TheWho"

We are aware of this



You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.



We
pron.
1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: "How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?" Virginia Woolf.

Typically (on fornits) I will use it to refer to people in general (#2).  But in the post you are referring to I was using it as defined in #1, referring to MIS and myself.

So I think the majority of us understand the meaning and its usage when I use it.  I hope this clears it up for you.



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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
« Reply #73 on: February 23, 2008, 11:09:32 AM »
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Quote from: "Anne Bonney"
Quote from: "TheWho"

We are aware of this



You keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.



We
pron.
1. Used by the speaker or writer to indicate the speaker or writer along with another or others as the subject: We made it to the lecture hall on time. We are planning a trip to Arizona this winter.
2. Used to refer to people in general, including the speaker or writer: "How can we enter the professions and yet remain civilized human beings?" Virginia Woolf.

Typically (on fornits) I will use it to refer to people in general (#2).  But in the post you are referring to I was using it as defined in #1, referring to MIS and myself.

So I think the majority of us understand the meaning and its usage when I use it.  I hope this clears it up for you.



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Let me further clarify by saying that WE means ME. Me and my 27 personalities.

Thank you
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Re: Define the Ideal TBS
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