willful suspension of disbelief

[Anonymous]

This thread is three tons of ball stomp in a five-pound bag.

No new-to-this parent in the world can possibly read the last six pages and send their kids. Not one.

[TheWho]

Mr. Who, why do you insist on personally attacking Anne Bonney and attributes as a mother?  You accept the misdeeds of Psy and TSW; even  offering up excuses for their behaviors when you have been reportedly wrongfully outed and when your private Fornits account has been manipulated by these guys.  Do you simply have a problem with women?  It seems you only personally attack women; like Anne and Deborah.  It does wear a bit thin and is highly annoying.

Very simple reason.  I can have a discussion and a knock down drag out fight with psy and TSW without them getting bent out of shape and start name calling.  Everytime Anne gets proven wrong or I piss her off she resorts to name calling.  So I respond with the same sometimes.



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[Anne Bonney]

Mr. Who, why do you insist on personally attacking Anne Bonney and attributes as a mother?  You accept the misdeeds of Psy and TSW; even  offering up excuses for their behaviors when you have been reportedly wrongfully outed and when your private Fornits account has been manipulated by these guys.  Do you simply have a problem with women?  It seems you only personally attack women; like Anne and Deborah.  It does wear a bit thin and is highly annoying.

Very simple reason.  I can have a discussion and a knock down drag out fight with psy and TSW without them getting bent out of shape and start name calling.  Everytime Anne gets proven wrong or I piss her off she resorts to name calling.  So I respond with the same sometimes.



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First,  where have you proven me wrong?

Second, I'm still waiting for the answer as to what I blew.

Third, I call you names whether I'm right OR wrong.

 ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::both::  ::both::

[TheWho]

Here's my straight face for ya  :roll:  considering NO information is allowed outside the walls of the building, host home cars or host homes, not all suicide attempts would be 'reported'. You would have to understand how the straight inc treatment model works first, then you would see more clearly. As the statement mentioned early on, it was an independently funded and limited research project, primarily focused on the actual police reports that mentioned suicide attempts at the building. However, one were filed by host parents traveling either to and from the building or inside their host homes. I find it very unbelievable that there were none in those venues, hence the disclaimer of being a limited research project.
On a heavier note:
There was however, a kid who killed himself in 2005 less than a year after graduating from that hellhole.  :cry:  :flame:

Okay, third attempt to underscore that point -- repercussions post-program.  Who, you keep ignoring this...  And no, it is not despite the program, but because of the program.

Tell me, what LGAT did you participate in?

I am not ignoring it, I am not sure what you want me to say.  Unless he/she left a note we could never trace the cause back to a specific event..problem with a girlfriend, boyfriend..problem at school,  medication.. etc.

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.



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[Che Gookin]

Hard to believe they consider such training useful anymore. Whatever happened to rounding up all the boys and carting them off to a weekend of booze, strippers, and maybe even golf in Vegas?

Now that is some bonding and training.. All this wanker LGAT crap is pointless.

[Anne Bonney]

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.

Nope, we're talking about the one's associated with programs.  Like this one...


http://www.nospank.net/bean.htm

[Anonymous]

[Nihilanthic]

If I ever have to do LGAT shit for work Im going to beat the crap out of the facilitator after I ruin and shit on his little LGAT the entire time.

 

[Anonymous]

[Ursus]

Tell me, what LGAT did you participate in?

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.

There were a number of companies that did use LGAT motivational training to get everyone in a more productive and useful state of mind (to the company, that is).  I'm not sure how much it is still done these days, due to some of the excesses that occurred, not to mention the aftermath of lawsuits from people being forced to participate.  Generally, the lower echelons -- especially sales force personnel -- were most affected.

So... which LGAT was it?  Who were the "trainers?"

[TheWho]

Hard to believe they consider such training useful anymore. Whatever happened to rounding up all the boys and carting them off to a weekend of booze, strippers, and maybe even golf in Vegas?

Now that is some bonding and training.. All this wanker LGAT crap is pointless.

Yeah, I remember that everyone was too wiped from the LGAT  to go out afterwards like they usually did when they visited the states.. the sales never really increased, as I remember.  At least when they held the blow outs in places like Vegas the sales force was motivated to sell and meet their quota so they could keep their jobs and be invited back next year!!  The stories that would come out of those meetings became legends until next year.



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[TheWho]

If I ever have to do LGAT shit for work Im going to beat the crap out of the facilitator after I ruin and shit on his little LGAT the entire time.

 

I would wait until after your paycheck clears for that week.

[Anonymous]

Here's my straight face for ya  :roll:  considering NO information is allowed outside the walls of the building, host home cars or host homes, not all suicide attempts would be 'reported'. You would have to understand how the straight inc treatment model works first, then you would see more clearly. As the statement mentioned early on, it was an independently funded and limited research project, primarily focused on the actual police reports that mentioned suicide attempts at the building. However, one were filed by host parents traveling either to and from the building or inside their host homes. I find it very unbelievable that there were none in those venues, hence the disclaimer of being a limited research project.
On a heavier note:
There was however, a kid who killed himself in 2005 less than a year after graduating from that hellhole.  :cry:  :flame:

Okay, third attempt to underscore that point -- repercussions post-program.  Who, you keep ignoring this...  And no, it is not despite the program, but because of the program.

Tell me, what LGAT did you participate in?

I am not ignoring it, I am not sure what you want me to say.  Unless he/she left a note we could never trace the cause back to a specific event..problem with a girlfriend, boyfriend..problem at school,  medication.. etc.

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.



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[TheWho]

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.

Nope, we're talking about the one's associated with programs.  Like this one...


http://www.nospank.net/bean.htm

Sorry, I see the link is nospank…..I wouldn’t take what nospank has to say.  They are definitely a cult like fringe group... if they are performing LGAT's to get people to stop spanking their kids good luck to them.  We never spanked our children but I don’t believe in these cults thinking they can reach into people’s homes and tell them how to raise their children.
Who do they think they are the government?


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[TheWho]

Here's my straight face for ya  :roll:  considering NO information is allowed outside the walls of the building, host home cars or host homes, not all suicide attempts would be 'reported'. You would have to understand how the straight inc treatment model works first, then you would see more clearly. As the statement mentioned early on, it was an independently funded and limited research project, primarily focused on the actual police reports that mentioned suicide attempts at the building. However, one were filed by host parents traveling either to and from the building or inside their host homes. I find it very unbelievable that there were none in those venues, hence the disclaimer of being a limited research project.
On a heavier note:
There was however, a kid who killed himself in 2005 less than a year after graduating from that hellhole.  :cry:  :flame:

Okay, third attempt to underscore that point -- repercussions post-program.  Who, you keep ignoring this...  And no, it is not despite the program, but because of the program.

Tell me, what LGAT did you participate in?

I am not ignoring it, I am not sure what you want me to say.  Unless he/she left a note we could never trace the cause back to a specific event..problem with a girlfriend, boyfriend..problem at school,  medication.. etc.

LGAT?  Hmmm... I worked for a company who had the entire sales force flown in from around the world to attend a sales training meeting.  The CEO had all the people wear fatigues and march to the conference center every morning before they could eat.  Then there was a motivational speaker who would talk to them... this went on for 3 days.  I was in training for taking over an engineering project at the time and sat in because I was curious.  They were definitely motivated to sell after that day, I do remember.  I dont recall any of them killing themselves afterwards if that is what you are getting at.



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