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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2007, 09:34:26 PM »
For all those who are curious as to where this is all going:

The "wilderness experience" is actually a misadventure with cultists, usually of a Mormon flavor, forcing dependence on children in an artificially-scarce environment where they are forced to bond with their captors or die in the blazing Utah heat (and some die- some CHOOSE death). It's intended to cause a form of regression and soften kids up for further abuse in "therapeutic" boarding "schools", doing heavy damage to both their bodies (massive weight loss, and not of the good variety, is not uncommon) and minds. This leads directly to PTSD, permanent damage to the family, and occasionally raw, brutal hatred, of the "I think I'll shoot up a mall today because what else can they do to me?" variety.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2007, 09:38:54 PM »
I was only funnin'... I know damn well that wilderniss therepy ain't no good. Fuck, I trhink i just fukkin shit myself, gotta go.,
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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2007, 09:46:38 PM »
Bottom line is that parents will continue to listen to other parents who had kids go thru these programs and turn their lives around.  Wilderness has been working effectively for decades and people know it... one of the major drawbacks is the expense.. and yes there will always be the few kids who don’t benefit from wilderness and come on here to fornits crying about having to sleep in the woods or cook their own food for a few weeks and tweak out like it’s the end of the world, but what are we going to do?  Prescreen everyone for Ergophobia?

Wilderness can’t help everyone and I think this is an area in which we all can agree.



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« Reply #18 on: December 06, 2007, 09:49:14 PM »
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a bunch of shit...

Another drawback is kids fucking DYING. ::skull::
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« Reply #19 on: December 06, 2007, 09:51:25 PM »
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For all those who are curious as to where this is all going:

The "wilderness experience" is actually a misadventure with cultists, usually of a Mormon flavor, forcing dependence on children in an artificially-scarce environment where they are forced to bond with their captors or die in the blazing Utah heat (and some die- some CHOOSE death). It's intended to cause a form of regression and soften kids up for further abuse in "therapeutic" boarding "schools", doing heavy damage to both their bodies (massive weight loss, and not of the good variety, is not uncommon) and minds. This leads directly to PTSD, permanent damage to the family, and occasionally raw, brutal hatred, of the "I think I'll shoot up a mall today because what else can they do to me?" variety.


very well said :tup:
here, mabye you're hungy ::burger::
and perhaps a beer ::cheers::

(Emoticons. Just precious.)
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2007, 08:19:17 AM »
Watch carefully you will see a SUWs graduate employ their so called "tools" that are supposedly learned in "treatment".

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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2007, 09:50:57 AM »
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i was thinking, maybe i should be an instructor. some kids from programs that end up working in programs are just sadistic, and want to treat others the way they were treated. I, on the other hand, feel good helping kids not have such a hard time.
I had a fucked up time at wilderness. i used to hate being outside, hated nature, bugs, etc...now i'm the opposite.
maybe i can make it less fucked up for the other kids. hook them all up, make it a good experience for them, unlike what it was for me.

Its good to see you gained an appreciation of nature by attending wilderness… you wouldn’t believe how many kids have never slept outdoors or hiked in the woods… that alone is worth the experience…it will definitely humble a person and give them an appreciation.  I hiked a lot as a child so I am used to it, but I do understand there are many who have never been exposed to nature and it can be a shock at first.

Well most of the instructors/counselors enjoy working with kids and have chosen this as their profession (working with children).  You need to be early on in your career (young, can relate to kids) to work well in wilderness and also need to enjoy the outdoors.  Many work weeks at a time without going home to their family (which should be considered).  It’s not an 8 to 5 job.

Someone mentioned kneeing another person in the groin if they are too tough on the kids… absolutely, that’s why there is always more than one person with the kids at all times.



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So who kneed the founder of your daughter's program in the groin when he let ryan lewis comitt suicide who?
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2007, 09:54:16 AM »
Donald Duck.
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2007, 10:32:04 AM »
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i was thinking, maybe i should be an instructor. some kids from programs that end up working in programs are just sadistic, and want to treat others the way they were treated. I, on the other hand, feel good helping kids not have such a hard time.
I had a fucked up time at wilderness. i used to hate being outside, hated nature, bugs, etc...now i'm the opposite.
maybe i can make it less fucked up for the other kids. hook them all up, make it a good experience for them, unlike what it was for me.

Its good to see you gained an appreciation of nature by attending wilderness… you wouldn’t believe how many kids have never slept outdoors or hiked in the woods… that alone is worth the experience…it will definitely humble a person and give them an appreciation.  I hiked a lot as a child so I am used to it, but I do understand there are many who have never been exposed to nature and it can be a shock at first.

Well most of the instructors/counselors enjoy working with kids and have chosen this as their profession (working with children).  You need to be early on in your career (young, can relate to kids) to work well in wilderness and also need to enjoy the outdoors.  Many work weeks at a time without going home to their family (which should be considered).  It’s not an 8 to 5 job.

Someone mentioned kneeing another person in the groin if they are too tough on the kids… absolutely, that’s why there is always more than one person with the kids at all times.



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So who kneed the founder of your daughter's program in the groin when he let ryan lewis comitt suicide who?


Not sure what you mean?  Ryan Lewis never attended the same program as my daughter did.  I believe he attended Aldredge Academy in West Virginia.  In any event I beleive what the poster was refering to was being a counselor so he could protect kids and could knee another counselor in the groin if they neglected any of the children...... not the founders of the programs.



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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2007, 10:34:50 AM »
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Watch carefully you will see a SUWs graduate employ their so called "tools" that are supposedly learned in "treatment".



Ha,Ha,Ha, Good Post, TSW,  now there is a guy who feels like a fish out of water in the city!!!  Maybe he needs "Urban Therapy"!!



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« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2007, 11:59:38 AM »
yes...forced marches, hypo/hyperthermia, and mormon wildernesses are bad....

but i must say, some wildernesses are good. many kids can benifit from spending some time outside, particularly city kids, and computer-centered kids. i have to say 99% of wildernesses are shit, but there are a few good ones. noteably, Outward Bound and the National outdoor leadership school.

personally, i went to two different wildernesses, on three seperate occasions. i HATED it. it was hard, too cold/too hot, and in the summer the bugs were driving me suicidal. I used to be a spoiled city kid - i liked my pizza, my air conditioning, and being able to spend 6 hours a day playing counterstrike.

 then two years out of wilderness, i took a herculean dose of shrooms and went out into the woods, and spent a day there. I felt connected, at one with nature. i realized some stuff, wont get too deep into it now. But anyways, since then, i feel a craving for nature. i need to be outside, and as remote, wild and unpopulated as possible. i HATE the city now, and i used to love it. those shrooms gave me a serious attitude, perception, and personality adjustment.

I'm 100% positive that if i had not had prior wilderness exerience, i would never have been able to come to those realizations, with or without shrooms.

I was thinking of joining as a counselor because not only can i treat the kids with more compassion, but because i belive i can convince these kids, and change them the same way the mushrooms changed me. if my counselors at my wildernesses had that same sort of experience that i could have related to, maybe i wouldnt have needed the shrooms. but they were a bunch of millitary hacks, not hippies. wildernesses need to be run by hippies.
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« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2007, 12:14:11 PM »
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yes...forced marches, hypo/hyperthermia, and mormon wildernesses are bad....

but i must say, some wildernesses are good. many kids can benifit from spending some time outside, particularly city kids, and computer-centered kids. i have to say 99% of wildernesses are shit, but there are a few good ones. noteably, Outward Bound and the National outdoor leadership school.

personally, i went to two different wildernesses, on three seperate occasions. i HATED it. it was hard, too cold/too hot, and in the summer the bugs were driving me suicidal. I used to be a spoiled city kid - i liked my pizza, my air conditioning, and being able to spend 6 hours a day playing counterstrike.

 then two years out of wilderness, i took a herculean dose of shrooms and went out into the woods, and spent a day there. I felt connected, at one with nature. i realized some stuff, wont get too deep into it now. But anyways, since then, i feel a craving for nature. i need to be outside, and as remote, wild and unpopulated as possible. i HATE the city now, and i used to love it. those shrooms gave me a serious attitude, perception, and personality adjustment.

I'm 100% positive that if i had not had prior wilderness exerience, i would never have been able to come to those realizations, with or without shrooms.

I was thinking of joining as a counselor because not only can i treat the kids with more compassion, but because i belive i can convince these kids, and change them the same way the mushrooms changed me. if my counselors at my wildernesses had that same sort of experience that i could have related to, maybe i wouldnt have needed the shrooms. but they were a bunch of millitary hacks, not hippies. wildernesses need to be run by hippies.




Summer camp.   Real[/b] summer camp.  No behavior mod, no thought reform.  Just camp.
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« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2007, 12:20:15 PM »
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yes...forced marches, hypo/hyperthermia, and mormon wildernesses are bad....

but i must say, some wildernesses are good. many kids can benifit from spending some time outside, particularly city kids, and computer-centered kids. i have to say 99% of wildernesses are shit, but there are a few good ones. noteably, Outward Bound and the National outdoor leadership school.

personally, i went to two different wildernesses, on three seperate occasions. i HATED it. it was hard, too cold/too hot, and in the summer the bugs were driving me suicidal. I used to be a spoiled city kid - i liked my pizza, my air conditioning, and being able to spend 6 hours a day playing counterstrike.

 then two years out of wilderness, i took a herculean dose of shrooms and went out into the woods, and spent a day there. I felt connected, at one with nature. i realized some stuff, wont get too deep into it now. But anyways, since then, i feel a craving for nature. i need to be outside, and as remote, wild and unpopulated as possible. i HATE the city now, and i used to love it. those shrooms gave me a serious attitude, perception, and personality adjustment.

I'm 100% positive that if i had not had prior wilderness exerience, i would never have been able to come to those realizations, with or without shrooms.

I was thinking of joining as a counselor because not only can i treat the kids with more compassion, but because i belive i can convince these kids, and change them the same way the mushrooms changed me. if my counselors at my wildernesses had that same sort of experience that i could have related to, maybe i wouldnt have needed the shrooms. but they were a bunch of millitary hacks, not hippies. wildernesses need to be run by hippies.



Summer camp.   Real[/b] summer camp.  No behavior mod, no thought reform.  Just camp.


go to another thread we are talking "wilderness therapy"
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« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2007, 01:10:15 PM »
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go to another thread we are talking "wilderness therapy"


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« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2007, 04:25:31 PM »
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go to another thread we are talking "wilderness therapy"

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outward bound isn't wilderness therapy. it's just walking in the woods with a counselor, troll. DON'T CONFUSE the two.
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