Wilderness Having a Rough Time Lately

[Anonymous]

yes...forced marches, hypo/hyperthermia, and mormon wildernesses are bad....

but i must say, some wildernesses are good. many kids can benifit from spending some time outside, particularly city kids, and computer-centered kids. i have to say 99% of wildernesses are shit, but there are a few good ones. noteably, Outward Bound and the National outdoor leadership school.

personally, i went to two different wildernesses, on three seperate occasions. i HATED it. it was hard, too cold/too hot, and in the summer the bugs were driving me suicidal. I used to be a spoiled city kid - i liked my pizza, my air conditioning, and being able to spend 6 hours a day playing counterstrike.

 then two years out of wilderness, i took a herculean dose of shrooms and went out into the woods, and spent a day there. I felt connected, at one with nature. i realized some stuff, wont get too deep into it now. But anyways, since then, i feel a craving for nature. i need to be outside, and as remote, wild and unpopulated as possible. i HATE the city now, and i used to love it. those shrooms gave me a serious attitude, perception, and personality adjustment.

I'm 100% positive that if i had not had prior wilderness exerience, i would never have been able to come to those realizations, with or without shrooms.

I was thinking of joining as a counselor because not only can i treat the kids with more compassion, but because i belive i can convince these kids, and change them the same way the mushrooms changed me. if my counselors at my wildernesses had that same sort of experience that i could have related to, maybe i wouldnt have needed the shrooms. but they were a bunch of millitary hacks, not hippies. wildernesses need to be run by hippies.

Summer camp.   Real[/b] summer camp.  No behavior mod, no thought reform.  Just camp.

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

[Nihilanthic]

"Wilderness Therapy" is so obviously Wilderness-excused torment that I don't even know why we have these threads anymore.

[Anonymous]

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

no...not at all. But most kids (the ones who arnt sheep) do take shrooms at some point in their lives, and a good percentage of those people who take them do have a life changing experience. I know a number of kids in my wilderness group who were very much like me in the sense that they spent most of their time doing nothing productive, usually just spening hours a day playing video games. those people went on to have a very simmilar experience. Getting closer with nature is at the top of the list of the benefits which come from a positive psychedelic experience.

and Outward bound does have a troubled teen division. it's called outward bound ascent, it is unrelated to the wilderness Ascent. nols also has a troubled teen division.

for the summer camp comment, summer camp is not what i meant. kids can still benefit from hiking a few miles a day, climbing a few mountains, eating trail food, and sleeping outside for a month. it's just matter of how you do it. i'm sorry you feel that you had a negative wilderness experience. A good experience is tough, but is not abusively difficult. if you cant handle tough, sucks for you. life is tough.

when i was at HLA, the kids loved ridge creek (the wilderness associated with hla). it was like a vacation from hla. it was tough, yes, but it was still positive. sure, it was all millitary style, but I and all my freinds learned alot from it. Since getting out, i've talked to alot of grads and pulls. The majority thought RCI was the only positive thing about hla. they wished they only got sent to RCI, because 99% of their change came at RCI, and they even enjoyed it to some degree. the Kids who didnt like it, who complained 2 years after, were all spoiled fatasses who couldnt even carry a pack.

and i'm not a troll. i may be annon, but i've been posting here for a long time, avoiding all troll-type activities. i may disagree with you, but i'm not a troll. thewho is a troll. i'm not. I went to a number of programs and wildernesses. 99% of programs out there are shit. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

[TheWho]

…. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

I hear you anon.  That is one of the reasons people here feel all programs are abusive…I think the most classic example was a recent grad from a TBS who was writing about his experience and talked about how the school got him back into studying again and he felt good about himself and hooked up with a good therapist, enjoyed the staff and still keeps in touch etc……  Well someone from fornits asked him “Wasn’t there anything you didn’t like about itâ€

[Anonymous]

There was no "recent grad". TheWho is just making things up again.

[Anonymous]

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

no...not at all. But most kids (the ones who arnt sheep) do take shrooms at some point in their lives, and a good percentage of those people who take them do have a life changing experience. I know a number of kids in my wilderness group who were very much like me in the sense that they spent most of their time doing nothing productive, usually just spening hours a day playing video games. those people went on to have a very simmilar experience. Getting closer with nature is at the top of the list of the benefits which come from a positive psychedelic experience.

and Outward bound does have a troubled teen division. it's called outward bound ascent, it is unrelated to the wilderness Ascent. nols also has a troubled teen division.

for the summer camp comment, summer camp is not what i meant. kids can still benefit from hiking a few miles a day, climbing a few mountains, eating trail food, and sleeping outside for a month. it's just matter of how you do it. i'm sorry you feel that you had a negative wilderness experience. A good experience is tough, but is not abusively difficult. if you cant handle tough, sucks for you. life is tough.

when i was at HLA, the kids loved ridge creek (the wilderness associated with hla). it was like a vacation from hla. it was tough, yes, but it was still positive. sure, it was all millitary style, but I and all my freinds learned alot from it. Since getting out, i've talked to alot of grads and pulls. The majority thought RCI was the only positive thing about hla. they wished they only got sent to RCI, because 99% of their change came at RCI, and they even enjoyed it to some degree. the Kids who didnt like it, who complained 2 years after, were all spoiled fatasses who couldnt even carry a pack.

and i'm not a troll. i may be annon, but i've been posting here for a long time, avoiding all troll-type activities. i may disagree with you, but i'm not a troll. thewho is a troll. i'm not. I went to a number of programs and wildernesses. 99% of programs out there are shit. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

I hear you. I've been called a troll before, one loser-zenagent(?) insisted i was pro-program, cause i said to lay off ccm girl.
Nature is inherently lovely. It is beneficial, as long as it doesn’t involve kidnapping someone. Sex is nice, but if it’s forced on you it stops being nice, and starts being rape. Same goes with the wilderness.
Even consensual "walks" with counselors, whose job it is to make you talk about your problems, are unsafe. It's irrelevant whether the counselor is sadistic or not. Focusing a kid inward, like that, is unhealthy, and unnatural. Forcing public self disclosure is unhealthy, and it forces an unnatural self image onto someone. People shouldn't be encouraged to think of themselves as, primarily, diseased.

But I think voluntary hikes with someone who cares about you, would be great.

[TheWho]

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

no...not at all. But most kids (the ones who arnt sheep) do take shrooms at some point in their lives, and a good percentage of those people who take them do have a life changing experience. I know a number of kids in my wilderness group who were very much like me in the sense that they spent most of their time doing nothing productive, usually just spening hours a day playing video games. those people went on to have a very simmilar experience. Getting closer with nature is at the top of the list of the benefits which come from a positive psychedelic experience.

and Outward bound does have a troubled teen division. it's called outward bound ascent, it is unrelated to the wilderness Ascent. nols also has a troubled teen division.

for the summer camp comment, summer camp is not what i meant. kids can still benefit from hiking a few miles a day, climbing a few mountains, eating trail food, and sleeping outside for a month. it's just matter of how you do it. i'm sorry you feel that you had a negative wilderness experience. A good experience is tough, but is not abusively difficult. if you cant handle tough, sucks for you. life is tough.

when i was at HLA, the kids loved ridge creek (the wilderness associated with hla). it was like a vacation from hla. it was tough, yes, but it was still positive. sure, it was all millitary style, but I and all my freinds learned alot from it. Since getting out, i've talked to alot of grads and pulls. The majority thought RCI was the only positive thing about hla. they wished they only got sent to RCI, because 99% of their change came at RCI, and they even enjoyed it to some degree. the Kids who didnt like it, who complained 2 years after, were all spoiled fatasses who couldnt even carry a pack.

and i'm not a troll. i may be annon, but i've been posting here for a long time, avoiding all troll-type activities. i may disagree with you, but i'm not a troll. thewho is a troll. i'm not. I went to a number of programs and wildernesses. 99% of programs out there are shit. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

I hear you. I've been called a troll before, one loser-zenagent(?) insisted i was pro-program, cause i said to lay off ccm girl.
Nature is inherently lovely. It is beneficial, as long as it doesn’t involve kidnapping someone. Sex is nice, but if it’s forced on you it stops being nice, and starts being rape. Same goes with the wilderness.
Even consensual "walks" with counselors, whose job it is to make you talk about your problems, are unsafe. It's irrelevant whether the counselor is sadistic or not. Focusing a kid inward, like that, is unhealthy, and unnatural. Forcing public self disclosure is unhealthy, and it forces an unnatural self image onto someone. People shouldn't be encouraged to think of themselves as, primarily, diseased.

But I think voluntary hikes with someone who cares about you, would be great.

In some ways Zen personifies fornits … if you don’t agree with him then you are pro program.  We had a guy around here called Dysfunction Junction, a while back, whose main purpose on fornits was to take down “Hidden Lake academyâ€

[Anonymous]

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

no...not at all. But most kids (the ones who arnt sheep) do take shrooms at some point in their lives, and a good percentage of those people who take them do have a life changing experience. I know a number of kids in my wilderness group who were very much like me in the sense that they spent most of their time doing nothing productive, usually just spening hours a day playing video games. those people went on to have a very simmilar experience. Getting closer with nature is at the top of the list of the benefits which come from a positive psychedelic experience.

and Outward bound does have a troubled teen division. it's called outward bound ascent, it is unrelated to the wilderness Ascent. nols also has a troubled teen division.

for the summer camp comment, summer camp is not what i meant. kids can still benefit from hiking a few miles a day, climbing a few mountains, eating trail food, and sleeping outside for a month. it's just matter of how you do it. i'm sorry you feel that you had a negative wilderness experience. A good experience is tough, but is not abusively difficult. if you cant handle tough, sucks for you. life is tough.

when i was at HLA, the kids loved ridge creek (the wilderness associated with hla). it was like a vacation from hla. it was tough, yes, but it was still positive. sure, it was all millitary style, but I and all my freinds learned alot from it. Since getting out, i've talked to alot of grads and pulls. The majority thought RCI was the only positive thing about hla. they wished they only got sent to RCI, because 99% of their change came at RCI, and they even enjoyed it to some degree. the Kids who didnt like it, who complained 2 years after, were all spoiled fatasses who couldnt even carry a pack.

and i'm not a troll. i may be annon, but i've been posting here for a long time, avoiding all troll-type activities. i may disagree with you, but i'm not a troll. thewho is a troll. i'm not. I went to a number of programs and wildernesses. 99% of programs out there are shit. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

I hear you. I've been called a troll before, one loser-zenagent(?) insisted i was pro-program, cause i said to lay off ccm girl.
Nature is inherently lovely. It is beneficial, as long as it doesn’t involve kidnapping someone. Sex is nice, but if it’s forced on you it stops being nice, and starts being rape. Same goes with the wilderness.
Even consensual "walks" with counselors, whose job it is to make you talk about your problems, are unsafe. It's irrelevant whether the counselor is sadistic or not. Focusing a kid inward, like that, is unhealthy, and unnatural. Forcing public self disclosure is unhealthy, and it forces an unnatural self image onto someone. People shouldn't be encouraged to think of themselves as, primarily, diseased.

But I think voluntary hikes with someone who cares about you, would be great.

In some ways Zen personifies fornits … if you don’t agree with him then you are pro program.  We had a guy around here called Dysfunction Junction, a while back, whose main purpose on fornits was to take down “Hidden Lake academyâ€

[TheWho]

I also care about putting people who practice "therapy" that consists of abducting a human being, forcing them into agrarian slave labor, giving "higher" kids power over lower ones, coercing and allowing public peer denunciation of one individual child by the group for being bad, not working hard enough, etc, behind bars. I'm glad you agree with my goals.

We would all want to see those bastards behind bars,  I don’t think there is one human being who wouldn’t have a place like that shut down in a heartbeat.  If ever a child happened to be abducted, tortured and forced into slave labor (in this country) it would make national headlines… life time channel movies would be made, you would get to meet Jay Leno!!.  All a kid has to do is talk to a reporter who wouldn’t mind becoming famous and Wala!!  You would become an instant celebrity!!  But so far this hasn’t happened.


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[Troll Control]

so basically what your sayin is that kids, after wilderness, should be given a herculean dose of shrooms.

interesting rx

no...not at all. But most kids (the ones who arnt sheep) do take shrooms at some point in their lives, and a good percentage of those people who take them do have a life changing experience. I know a number of kids in my wilderness group who were very much like me in the sense that they spent most of their time doing nothing productive, usually just spening hours a day playing video games. those people went on to have a very simmilar experience. Getting closer with nature is at the top of the list of the benefits which come from a positive psychedelic experience.

and Outward bound does have a troubled teen division. it's called outward bound ascent, it is unrelated to the wilderness Ascent. nols also has a troubled teen division.

for the summer camp comment, summer camp is not what i meant. kids can still benefit from hiking a few miles a day, climbing a few mountains, eating trail food, and sleeping outside for a month. it's just matter of how you do it. i'm sorry you feel that you had a negative wilderness experience. A good experience is tough, but is not abusively difficult. if you cant handle tough, sucks for you. life is tough.

when i was at HLA, the kids loved ridge creek (the wilderness associated with hla). it was like a vacation from hla. it was tough, yes, but it was still positive. sure, it was all millitary style, but I and all my freinds learned alot from it. Since getting out, i've talked to alot of grads and pulls. The majority thought RCI was the only positive thing about hla. they wished they only got sent to RCI, because 99% of their change came at RCI, and they even enjoyed it to some degree. the Kids who didnt like it, who complained 2 years after, were all spoiled fatasses who couldnt even carry a pack.

and i'm not a troll. i may be annon, but i've been posting here for a long time, avoiding all troll-type activities. i may disagree with you, but i'm not a troll. thewho is a troll. i'm not. I went to a number of programs and wildernesses. 99% of programs out there are shit. i have alot of negative shit to say about it, and no one ever gives me greif about it. but whenever i try to point out honestly the one or two good programs, or a few positive things that came out, i get shit on.

I hear you. I've been called a troll before, one loser-zenagent(?) insisted i was pro-program, cause i said to lay off ccm girl.
Nature is inherently lovely. It is beneficial, as long as it doesn’t involve kidnapping someone. Sex is nice, but if it’s forced on you it stops being nice, and starts being rape. Same goes with the wilderness.
Even consensual "walks" with counselors, whose job it is to make you talk about your problems, are unsafe. It's irrelevant whether the counselor is sadistic or not. Focusing a kid inward, like that, is unhealthy, and unnatural. Forcing public self disclosure is unhealthy, and it forces an unnatural self image onto someone. People shouldn't be encouraged to think of themselves as, primarily, diseased.

But I think voluntary hikes with someone who cares about you, would be great.

In some ways Zen personifies fornits … if you don’t agree with him then you are pro program.  We had a guy around here called Dysfunction Junction, a while back, whose main purpose on fornits was to take down “Hidden Lake academyâ€

[TheWho]

DJ wrote:

So, please, TheWho, show the proper respect:

"There was a guy, Dr. Dysfunction Junction

If you did all that work to gain self respect and the respect of others you have a very rude awakening coming to you.. you cant buy respect, you need to earn it.  Just by the fact that you are presently asking people for respect shows you get little of it…. This is due, no doubt, to a character flaw or lack of empathy for others besides yourself.
Try being more understanding and respectful towards others, as a start, if respect is what you crave.



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[Anonymous]

I'd say that's rather harsh, Who. A congrats would have been in order, at the very least..

[TheWho]

I'd say that's rather harsh, Who. A congrats would have been in order, at the very least..

If you bothered to read his whole post you would understand...

[Anonymous]

I'd say that's rather harsh, Who. A congrats would have been in order, at the very least..

If you bothered to read his whole post you would understand...

Well now, Who... if you still want that brand new tazer for Christmas you had better watch your step from here on out!

[Ursus]

No, I'm still here.  Still working.  Still writing letters, lobbying, putting parents and kids in touch with lawyers and advocates.  

This is just another example of how one cannot believe a word of what TheWho says.  He's a professional dissembler and should be dealt with as such.

What TheWho failed to mention, as I have posted here before, I needed time to complete a doctorate, which I have done.  So, please, TheWho, show the proper respect:

"There was a guy, Dr. Dysfunction Junction..."  

I have noticed that you do think a lot about me, too.  You've been invoking my name on a weekly basis here.  Are you queer for my gear or something?

 ::roflmao::  
Kudos and congrats, DJ, on your doctorate!! ::birthday::  ::cheers::  ::birthday::  
Glad to see that you're still kicking around!