drug addicts don't want to get clean

[psy]

LOL.  No.. you don't want me in your treatment centre.  I would excercise my right to free speech and you would most certainly find that unacceptable.  Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

I cannot forecably abduct you and treat you. As an adult, you would have to sign yourself in, and then could leave at any time. I could not keep your identification, because as an adult, you own it and it would be illegal for me to keep it. You could call the police and have them retrieve your property from me if I decided to steal it from you.

What if your family worked with the cops and made sure they held the treatment centre's wishes above the law?  What if you did try to call the police and were arrested yourself for spreading "lies" after they talked to the treatment center.  The program just tells the cops you're manipulating if they aren't relatives and they generally believe the program over the kid.  I knew full well nobody would believe me, as you aren't now.  Not all programs do these things, but some do.

If you were disruptive to my treatment center, you would be asked to leave. Some people in treatment really need it, it's a life or death situation for them. I am surprised you have resorted to death threats.

I think you misunderstood me.  I merely meant to imply that if you were to hypothetically abduct or otherwise assault me with the intent of kidnapping I would be well within my rights to kill you in order to escape.  It's called self defense.

Nobody can abduct you for treatment *, this is another fantasy of yours and the death theats are unnecessary. You signed yourself in, don't forget that Psy. You are only a victim of your own bad decisions.

LOL.  So if I kick you in the crotch, that would be your fault too, right.  Since you're the "empowed" one living your life in full control...

*you aren't too familiar with the escort (Teen Transport) business, are you?

[Anonymous]

Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

This statement bothers me. I thought this was a safe discussion forum. Obviously, nobody can abduct you and force treatment upon you. This makes me think you are disconnected from reality regarding this situation, which makes you dangerous. You are right I cannot diagnose someone online, but ask your doctor about paranoid schizophrenia. There are medications that can help people for this. My mother has it and I helped her get her medication and she sounds a lot like you. She thinks people are trying to abduct her and violently reacts to her delusions.

I am sorry for pushing your buttons Psy, if that is what I have been doing. You obviously need a lot of help. Please do not think of me as a representation of the treatment industry and let that get in the way of you seeking treatment. I am not associated with any treatmen facility or program. You are safe to ask for help.

[psy]

Even my parents acknowledge they gave me no other choice.  Are they victims of the same AA cultspeak term?

If you are still questioning how to care for yourself as an independent adult,

Don't project that shit on me, pls.  You know nothing about me.

it makes even more sense why you entered, and returned to treatment.

I was thrown on the streets for a day as punishment for trying to make an unauthorized phone call to my parents.  I did go back because I thought if I worked the program they would let me graduate.  Again, I was naive and they had no intention of letting me leave as long as the money was rolling in in large amounts.

When you left treatment Did you go back to your parents house? Do you still live at home even now? How old are you now?

Yes when I got out of program I lived with my parents since they were offering a place and we figured out a way to get along.  No I don't live at home right now, I'm 24 and about to get my BA after which i'll be going for my masters.

[Anonymous]

LOL.  No.. you don't want me in your treatment centre.  I would excercise my right to free speech and you would most certainly find that unacceptable.  Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

I cannot forecably abduct you and treat you. As an adult, you would have to sign yourself in, and then could leave at any time. I could not keep your identification, because as an adult, you own it and it would be illegal for me to keep it. You could call the police and have them retrieve your property from me if I decided to steal it from you.

What if your family worked with the cops and made sure they held the treatment centre's wishes above the law?  What if you did try to call the police and were arrested yourself for spreading "lies" after they talked to the treatment center.  The program just tells the cops you're manipulating if they aren't relatives and they generally believe the program over the kid.  I knew full well nobody would believe me, as you aren't now.  Not all programs do these things, but some do.

If you were disruptive to my treatment center, you would be asked to leave. Some people in treatment really need it, it's a life or death situation for them. I am surprised you have resorted to death threats.

I think you misunderstood me.  I merely meant to imply that if you were to hypothetically abduct or otherwise assault me with the intent of kidnapping I would be well within my rights to kill you in order to escape.  It's called self defense.

Nobody can abduct you for treatment *, this is another fantasy of yours and the death theats are unnecessary. You signed yourself in, don't forget that Psy. You are only a victim of your own bad decisions.

LOL.  So if I kick you in the crotch, that would be your fault too, right.  Since you're the "empowed" one living your life in full control...

*you aren't too familiar with the escort (Teen Transport) business, are you?

Since we both know this hypothetical is impossible to happen, it makes me wonder why you made the threat at all Psy. You are an adult and cannot be abducted by force, we both know this. I am familiar with the Teen transport business. You are not a teenager. If you kick me in the crotch I would have to take responsibility. Explaining reality to a delusional individual poses it's risks. People who work in treatment centers know this.  If it costs me a kick to the crotch to set you free from your anger, so be it.

[Anonymous]

Even my parents acknowledge they gave me no other choice.  Are they victims of the same AA cultspeak term?

If you are still questioning how to care for yourself as an independent adult,

Don't project that shit on me, pls.  You know nothing about me.

it makes even more sense why you entered, and returned to treatment.

I was thrown on the streets for a day as punishment for trying to make an unauthorized phone call to my parents.  I did go back because I thought if I worked the program they would let me graduate.  Again, I was naive and they had no intention of letting me leave as long as the money was rolling in in large amounts.

When you left treatment Did you go back to your parents house? Do you still live at home even now? How old are you now?

Yes when I got out of program I lived with my parents since they were offering a place and we figured out a way to get along.  No I don't live at home right now, I'm 24 and about to get my BA after which i'll be going for my masters.

I only know what you tell me. You choose to open your life to examination on a public internet message board, nobody is forcing this upon you. If your treatment facility was more tolerable than one day "on the street" as an adult, what are you complaining about?  That right there is enough to make most parents dismiss your claims of abuse. Does that make sense to you why that might be?

[Anonymous]

I was thrown on the streets for a day as punishment for trying to make an unauthorized phone call to my parents.  I did go back because I thought if I worked the program they would let me graduate.  Again, I was naive and they had no intention of letting me leave as long as the money was rolling in in large amounts.

They had no intention of letting you leave, but they therw you out on the streets? You are contradicting yourself in the same sentence. You are lucky your parents payed them to take you back, it sounds like you would of had a rough time caring for yourself. You should be thanking that treatment center for taking you back in "off the streets" and giving you a second chance. Did you meet any other adolecsents that day you spent on the streets? Did they have rich parents willing to pay for a warm bed and food? Stinking Thinking my young friend psy, it will get you every time. Look at your situation from the eyes of a kid on the street at the time with no other choice. You had it pretty good Psy, and a family that cares about you. It's time to let it go.

[psy]

Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

This statement bothers me. I thought this was a safe discussion forum. Obviously, nobody can abduct you and force treatment upon you. This makes me think you are disconnected from reality regarding this situation, which makes you dangerous. You are right I cannot diagnose someone online, but ask your doctor about paranoid schizophrenia. There are medications that can help people for this. My mother has it and I helped her get her medication and she sounds a lot like you. She thinks people are trying to abduct her and violently reacts to her delusions.

I never said anything about actually doing it and the fact that it is so unlikely (however it HAS HAPPENED in Straight, Inc. afaik). I should further point out to you that it wasn't a likely happening.  You suggested me being in your treatment program but did not specify how that could happen.  I elaborated on what might happen if there was some sort of illegal intervention.  There is nothing insane about self defense.  Furthermore the statement was primarily made as "rhetorical hyperbole" to express disgust rather than to actually be a threat.  Furthermore the addition of "(legally)" should be meant to imply you would first try to detain me illegally.  You're the one who's schitzo if you think I would kill you, or anybody else without being given no other choice.

I am sorry for pushing your buttons Psy, if that is what I have been doing. You obviously need a lot of help. Please do not think of me as a representation of the treatment industry and let that get in the way of you seeking treatment.

Yawn.

I am not associated with any treatmen facility or program.

Previously you said you were.  Why the change?

You are safe to ask for help.

HAHAHA.. You must be REALLY new here.

[Anonymous]

You are responsible for your decisions and the results of those decisions. Be them bad or good. We are only victims of our own bad decisions. Once we realize this, we live an empowered life, in full control.

I am not god, and certainly neither are you.  Unexpected things happen and people get tricked.  Are the jews responsible for their deaths?

You are the second person to now compare themselves to the Jewish victims of the holocaust. I know you are desperately seeking victim status, but this is beyond comparison. You are not Jews facing a holocaust. Your attempt to apply black and white stinking thinking on every tragic situation shows me how deply entrenched you really are.

You are going to go to prison child murderer and torturer. All of your child torturing money will be stripped from you in lawsuits.

What programs are you involved with, murderer?

Monster, no one seeks victim status, being kidnapped tortured and often killed makes one a victim. Your inability to see the connection between kidnapping and torturing 100s of thousands of children on the basis of their supposed unworthiness, often to death, for no other reason than a guardian signed off on it, shows me how you either are making your absurd statements for provocative effect, like with psy, or are defending you livlihood.

[Anonymous]

programs deliberately kill the minds with bodies being destroyed secondarily but inevitably.

What does this mean, can you elaborate? You are the most elequent mindless zombie I've ever run across, assuming you have been in a program that "killed your mind". Why are the bodies of program participants destroyed secondarily? Do you all enjoy such pessimism directed at each other?

Yes program killed my mind, you are speaking to it's remains. I'm half the kid I used to be, but still twice as much as you

[psy]

I was thrown on the streets for a day as punishment for trying to make an unauthorized phone call to my parents.  I did go back because I thought if I worked the program they would let me graduate.  Again, I was naive and they had no intention of letting me leave as long as the money was rolling in in large amounts.

They had no intention of letting you leave, but they therw you out on the streets?

Yes they would, because they knew it was not really feasable for you to make it on your own locally and would most likely believe what they were saying about "you can't make it on your own, need the program bla bla" and come back to the sole hope of salvation.

If you know of any ways I could have just left and started a new life on my own i'd like to hear it, actually.  Please tell me how I could have left.  99% chance I already considered it.

[Anonymous]

Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

This statement bothers me. I thought this was a safe discussion forum. Obviously, nobody can abduct you and force treatment upon you. This makes me think you are disconnected from reality regarding this situation, which makes you dangerous. You are right I cannot diagnose someone online, but ask your doctor about paranoid schizophrenia. There are medications that can help people for this. My mother has it and I helped her get her medication and she sounds a lot like you. She thinks people are trying to abduct her and violently reacts to her delusions.

I never said anything about actually doing it and the fact that it is so unlikely (however it HAS HAPPENED in Straight, Inc.) should further point out to you that it wasn't a likely happening.  You suggested me being in your treatment program but did not specify how that could happen.  I elaborated on what might happen if there was some sort of illegal intervention.  There is nothing insane about self defense.  Furthermore the statement was primarily made as "rhetorical hyperbole" to express disgust rather than to actually be a threat.  Furthermore the addition of "(legally)" should be meant to imply you would first try to detain me illegally.  You're the one who's schitzo if you think I would kill you, or anybody else without being given no other choice.

I am sorry for pushing your buttons Psy, if that is what I have been doing. You obviously need a lot of help. Please do not think of me as a representation of the treatment industry and let that get in the way of you seeking treatment.

Yawn.

I am not associated with any treatmen facility or program.

Previously you said you were.  Why the change?

You are safe to ask for help.

HAHAHA.. You must be REALLY new here.

No treatment center would ever illegally kidnap you. If you believe this can happen, that is why I suggest you might be delusional and might want to seek help. The words "I will fucking kill you (legally)" sound very serious. By claiming it's legal, you make me think you are dangerous. Mentally ill people feel justified in carrying out their threats against what they see as an oppressive force which victimizes them. You said you are 24 years old, nobody is coming to kidnap you. There is no need for murderous threats against me. I have no power over you and nobody else does either. Empower yourself psy and free yourself from these delusions.

[Anonymous]

I was thrown on the streets for a day as punishment for trying to make an unauthorized phone call to my parents.  I did go back because I thought if I worked the program they would let me graduate.  Again, I was naive and they had no intention of letting me leave as long as the money was rolling in in large amounts.

They had no intention of letting you leave, but they therw you out on the streets?

Yes they would, because they knew it was not really feasable for you to make it on your own locally and would most likely believe what they were saying about "you can't make it on your own, need the program bla bla" and come back to the sole hope of salvation.

If you know of any ways I could have just left and started a new life on my own i'd like to hear it, actually.  Please tell me how I could have left.  99% chance I already considered it.

Thought and action are two different things. We both know what you could have done and you chose not to. Now you are trying to place blame on me, for not offering up a great idea on a silver platter. You need to figure these things out for yourself Psy. If you were mistreated in a way that justified your internet crusade, then you would of stayed on the streets. Your response to unnecessary treatment is disproportionate to what you experienced Psy. You are trying to fuck up programs based on just your experience, that is selfish. You are a smart young man and your energies are better directed elsewhere. Let the people who need help get it. Get another cause,  like helping the adolescent kids stuck on the street you never met because you were able to go to a warm bed. Life is all about choices Psy, remember that.

[psy]

Try to forceably abduct and "treat" me and I will fucking kill you (legally).

This statement bothers me. I thought this was a safe discussion forum. Obviously, nobody can abduct you and force treatment upon you. This makes me think you are disconnected from reality regarding this situation, which makes you dangerous. You are right I cannot diagnose someone online, but ask your doctor about paranoid schizophrenia. There are medications that can help people for this. My mother has it and I helped her get her medication and she sounds a lot like you. She thinks people are trying to abduct her and violently reacts to her delusions.

I never said anything about actually doing it and the fact that it is so unlikely (however it HAS HAPPENED in Straight, Inc.) should further point out to you that it wasn't a likely happening.  You suggested me being in your treatment program but did not specify how that could happen.  I elaborated on what might happen if there was some sort of illegal intervention.  There is nothing insane about self defense.  Furthermore the statement was primarily made as "rhetorical hyperbole" to express disgust rather than to actually be a threat.  Furthermore the addition of "(legally)" should be meant to imply you would first try to detain me illegally.  You're the one who's schitzo if you think I would kill you, or anybody else without being given no other choice.

I am sorry for pushing your buttons Psy, if that is what I have been doing. You obviously need a lot of help. Please do not think of me as a representation of the treatment industry and let that get in the way of you seeking treatment.

Yawn.

I am not associated with any treatmen facility or program.

Previously you said you were.  Why the change?

You are safe to ask for help.

HAHAHA.. You must be REALLY new here.

No treatment center would ever illegally kidnap you. If you believe this can happen, that is why I suggest you might be delusional and might want to seek help.

Any Straight, Inc. vets around to inform this idiot of what happens?  Ever seen Over The GW, Guest?

The words "I will fucking kill you (legally)" sound very serious. By claiming it's legal, you make me think you are dangerous.

Well, self defense is legal.  Unless you attack or try to kidnap me you have nothing to worry about.  Furthermore, you're an anonymous guest, and should not feel threatened by what anybody says on the internet.

Mentally ill people feel justified in carrying out their threats against what they see as an oppressive force which victimizes them. You said you are 24 years old, nobody is coming to kidnap you.

You're right.  I don't consider it very likely either, (though it has happened).  This is why I brought up "rhetorical hyperbole".  Perhaps you should google it.

There is no need for murderous threats against me. I have no power over you and nobody else does either.

Now, yes, but that was not always the case.

Empower yourself psy and free yourself from these delusions.

Bla bla bla "EMPOWER"... Btw.. Have you ever been to est, Landmark Forum, Lifespring, Mind Dynamics or anything like that?

[Anonymous]

Quit being trolled by Who, Psy. It doesn't suit you.

(Seriously, you can't tell?)

[Anonymous]

No treatment center would ever illegally kidnap you. If you believe this can happen, that is why I suggest you might be delusional and might want to seek help.

Any Straight, Inc. vets around to inform this idiot of what happens?  Ever seen Over The GW, Guest?

The words "I will fucking kill you (legally)" sound very serious. By claiming it's legal, you make me think you are dangerous.

Well, self defense is legal.  Unless you attack or try to kidnap me you have nothing to worry about.  Furthermore, you're an anonymous guest, and should not feel threatened by what anybody says on the internet.

Mentally ill people feel justified in carrying out their threats against what they see as an oppressive force which victimizes them. You said you are 24 years old, nobody is coming to kidnap you.

You're right.  I don't consider it very likely either, (though it has happened).  This is why I brought up "rhetorical hyperbole".  Perhaps you should google it.

There is no need for murderous threats against me. I have no power over you and nobody else does either.

Now, yes, but that was not always the case.

Empower yourself psy and free yourself from these delusions.

Bla bla bla "EMPOWER"... Btw.. Have you ever been to est, Landmark Forum, Lifespring, Mind Dynamics or anything like that?[/quote]

For all I know, you are a hacker capable of locating me by my internet postings. Dangerous people find ways to carry out what they view as justified self defense. Notice you abring up the term self defense, refering to a threat that does not exist in reality. You will not find anyone who was kidnapped and sent to a program against their will at the age of 24 unless authorized by the state. This is not healthy Psy and makes sane people worry. I am not your enemy.