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« Reply #150 on: November 07, 2007, 11:49:57 AM »
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Agreed, that is why I am not totally bought in to this regulation will solve the problem mentality.  I think it may help in some areas and make things worse in others.  If people want to hurt others they are going to do it whether they are licensed or regulated... some of the regulations just might make it more difficult for them to operate.
Regulation may decrease the odds of that sort of thing, but really, entirely new laws need to exist that protect the rights of children by giving them due process so as to avoid coercive and unqualified treatment.



I agree with this, but I dont think the present court system is doing a good job today, with the present laws we give them to work within, in directing kids to safe alternatives.  Many of these kids end up in abusive boot camps inwhich they do not deserve and dont help them.  I wouldnt rely on our court system to help out.

If new laws were defined it may help to give children a louder voice or advocate (outside the justice system).


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« Reply #151 on: November 07, 2007, 12:56:35 PM »
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Personally, I would like Who to answer the question about his connection to Bain.  I think it would clear up quite a bit.


Who?  Care to enlighten us?




Alright, I'm taking bets on if he'll answer or not.  Whaddya guys think?

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Yep.  Thought not.
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« Reply #152 on: November 07, 2007, 01:01:37 PM »
TheWho's vague indications he might be involved financially in programs is one of his best trolls ever. Two thumbs up for TheWho for keeping fornits pumping with passionate discussion. Without TheWho this forum would be deader than a doornail. Anti-program people should thank him for giving them the opportunity to spout your beliefs. Keep preaching to the choir everyone, it's all good!
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« Reply #153 on: November 07, 2007, 02:51:10 PM »
thanks for fixing my post earlie Frod.
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« Reply #154 on: November 07, 2007, 08:32:27 PM »
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Quote from: ""Froderik""
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Agreed, that is why I am not totally bought in to this regulation will solve the problem mentality.  I think it may help in some areas and make things worse in others.  If people want to hurt others they are going to do it whether they are licensed or regulated... some of the regulations just might make it more difficult for them to operate.
Regulation may decrease the odds of that sort of thing, but really, entirely new laws need to exist that protect the rights of children by giving them due process so as to avoid coercive and unqualified treatment.


I agree with this, but I dont think the present court system is doing a good job today, with the present laws we give them to work within, in directing kids to safe alternatives.  Many of these kids end up in abusive boot camps inwhich they do not deserve and dont help them.  I wouldnt rely on our court system to help out.

If new laws were defined it may help to give children a louder voice or advocate (outside the justice system).


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You know why the present court system is doing a horrible job? Because they don't know the kids they are personally dealing with. They don't deal with them day in, day out. So, the courts send them off to these boot camps, or what have you,for a paper full of offenses, not knowing what each one of them is really about!!!!! You know what I mean? But, then there is always someone saying at least it isn't the parents making this choice of wherever their kid goes.

Do you think these judges lose a wink of sleep at night dealing with the 1,000's of kids that go through their justice system? No. Parents, have a bit more of a responsibility, and are connected with their children, at least biologically so. More so then a judge.

It just so happened I ended up with two jerks as parents. One too high, and mighty letting his new wife wear the pants in the relationship. Then my poor Mother (god rest her soul)who was an emotional wreck, and a major alcoholic to boot, she couldn't even help herself, let alone me.

I think in most cases, parents will be the fairest of judges. It really is true that parents know what is best for their own children more then a legal system. For the most part. But, then there are a few of us that lets face it......got fucked!
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« Reply #155 on: November 08, 2007, 01:36:15 PM »
Quote from: ""Anne Bonney""
Personally, I would like Who to answer the question about his connection to Bain.  I think it would clear up quite a bit.


Who?  Care to enlighten us?




Alright, I'm taking bets on if he'll answer or not.  Whaddya guys think?

 :rofl:



I'm still wondering about this.
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« Reply #156 on: November 14, 2007, 07:34:20 AM »
I was never a drug addict, but I died in a program.

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:
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« Reply #157 on: November 14, 2007, 09:28:49 AM »
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I was never a drug addict, but I died in a program.

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WORD
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« Reply #158 on: November 14, 2007, 09:38:16 AM »
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I was never a drug addict, but I died in a program.

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As did I.
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« Reply #159 on: November 14, 2007, 04:24:21 PM »
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I was never a drug addict, but I died in a program.

:skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull: :skull:

pretty much
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« Reply #160 on: November 14, 2007, 04:38:08 PM »
That is stinking thinking, your life is what you make of it.
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« Reply #161 on: November 14, 2007, 04:44:52 PM »
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That is stinking thinking, your life is what you make of it.


This cultspeak message was brought to you by your local AA program.

Remember that we have rarely seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.
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« Reply #162 on: November 14, 2007, 04:50:20 PM »
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Remember that we have rarely seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.


This is accurate. Fornits is testimony to this, as very few program dropouts post here.
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« Reply #163 on: November 14, 2007, 04:56:18 PM »
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Remember that we have rarely seen a person fail who has thoroughly followed our path.

This is accurate. Fornits is testimony to this, as very few program dropouts post here.


Ha,Ha,Ha Thats funny!!  I love this place, good catch, what a classic line.



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« Reply #164 on: November 14, 2007, 05:05:58 PM »
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That is stinking thinking, your life is what you make of it.


That's right folks!  In AA thinking = stinking!  You need to shut the brain the fuck off and accept the program!  YAY!  Keep coming backs it will probably kill you if you work it!
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