drug addicts don't want to get clean

[Anonymous]

how old are you ccn? your a just still such a magnet for sociopaths. you need to come back here in 10 yrs and then tell us what you think. right now you are just prey and bait. if you dont know what i'm saying, you will in 10 yrs! promise.

You need to take your own advice, see you in ten years.

[Anonymous]

ccm you need  jr. retards annon

[CCM girl 1989]

The freaks come out at night!

[Anonymous]

and here you are child

[Anonymous]

ccm you need  jr. retards annon

FAIL

[Oz girl]

Deb, I think she means the obvious, although she phrased it poorly: that programs destroy their family's money (sometimes with parents ripping it out of their college funds), destroy their education (as they aren't accredited schools, they don't even get GEDs, and they're ill-prepared for college anyway), and seriously, how much opportunity can they have after being told that they're worthless day in and day out?

Actually it could be either of these things. The point is that statistically speaking middle class kids everywhere are given more chances to grow out of their vices or in the rare cases that it is necessary get quality medical help. These is also more incentive to eventually straighen up anf fly right becuase the middle classes feel they have more to loose by being in legal hot water. Consequently in most cases this is exactly what happens. Kids grow out of the worst.

To give a personal example i have a friend whose younger brother was about the most hideous teenager imaginable. Eventually at about 17 and 1/2 his laywer pointed out to him that at 18 he was an adult and a judge was going to be a whole lot less lenient about  the wild oats he seemed to need to sow. The kid did not straighten out over night but he did calm down a little when he realised that it was no longer cute and he stood to loose something. At 25 he is just fine. He is not a laywer or a stockbroker as his parents had once hoped but he is not drug addicted or in jail either. He has also travelled to exotic places and done a variety of jobs.
There is no doubt in my mind that if this kid lived with the right set of parents in the US he woud have been program material.

It really makes it difficult to determine which kids will grow out of it and which ones will not.  There are too many stories like the one CCM told where her cousin hit bottom at age 27.  This guy could have benefited from getting help in his teens.  So faced with these decisions (and results like these) it is hard to just throw up our hands and say lets wait and see.... we are not a "Wait and see" society. we are doers and solvers and look for results quickly.  That is why parents look for help outside when they cant solve the issues locally or within the home.



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Once again who your ability to make assumptions is enormous. The boy's parents did not do nothing at all. They sent him to a variety of schools, paid extensive legal bills, tried a variety of methods and often fought. What they did not do was incarcerate him. there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any hint of adoescent dificulty will make a 27 yr old addict. Just as many adults develop addiction or mental helath issues when they were completely unproblematic adolescents! There are also many more humane ways to get help for a genuinely troubled kid than locking them up without trial. But you equate not incarcerating a child with "Doing nothing" becuae you are too limited to see any other possibility

[TheWho]

Once again who your ability to make assumptions is enormous. The boy's parents did not do nothing at all. They sent him to a variety of schools, paid extensive legal bills, tried a variety of methods and often fought. What they did not do was incarcerate him. there is absolutely no evidence to suggest that any hint of adoescent dificulty will make a 27 yr old addict. Just as many adults develop addiction or mental helath issues when they were completely unproblematic adolescents! There are also many more humane ways to get help for a genuinely troubled kid than locking them up without trial. But you equate not incarcerating a child with "Doing nothing" becuae you are too limited to see any other possibility

I have been posting and reading for years here on fornits and am well aware of most of the options for parents and their families to help offset a childs progress into an at-risk life style.  These local services are very effective and can help the entire family identify and solve many of the issues that lead kids into acting out and becoming self destructive.  But there exists a small minority of children do not benefit from these local treatments and need to take the next step , other options, which may be:

1.   To continue on the same path (which isn’t working)
2.   Do nothing
3.   Get help for your child outside the home.

You talk about kids not getting a trial.  Why should there be a trial every time a child needs help.  At what age should these trials start?  Age 4, Age 7?   When we incarcerate them into daycare.  Who should represent them?  Should we allow our kids to play with matches, or should be say “Noâ€

[Anonymous]

thewho is write for prospective parents so I must state dont make a decision based on fear talk to real professionals and keep in mind these programs are sociopathic in nature and they will lie ans steal all the while feeding your fear and telling you they have the solution....you parents have the solution take time off be with your child help them understand what hormonal changes they are going through and these effects on moods etc.. dont freak out! remember what it was like when you were growing up take resposibility for some of your misparenting and regain respect not foce! a teen in contending with lots of changes as part of growing up let them make mistakes and learn from them give them space and love not yelling or force. regain respect check yourself first...these programs will try and absolve you of any wrong doing and it thats what your looking for instead of the best for your child then by all means strip them of their rights and dignity and subject them to institutionalized child abuse!

[Anonymous]

thewho writes for prospective parents so I must state dont make a decision based on fear talk to real professionals and keep in mind these programs are sociopathic in nature and they will lie and steal all the while feeding your fear and telling you they have the solution....you parents have the solution take time off be with your child help them understand what hormonal changes they are going through and these effects on moods etc.. dont freak out! remember what it was like when you were growing up take resposibility for some of your misparenting and regain respect not force! a teen is contending with lots of changes as part of growing up let them make mistakes and learn from them give them space and love not yelling or force. regain respect check yourself first...these programs will try and absolve you of any wrong doing and if thats what your looking for instead of the best for your child then by all means strip them of their rights and dignity and subject them to institutionalized child abuse!

[Froderik]

Maybe some laws should be amended to provide the right to due process for minors? Who, your somewhat salient point concerning daycare has one foible: daycare is a public facility, and programs are privately run...

This is America, Who.. a country that was supposed to be founded on freedom and justice for its citizens. Perhaps these same rights (concerning due process, at least) should be extended to children as well....?

[Anonymous]

thewho writes for prospective parents so I must state dont make a decision based on fear talk to real professionals and keep in mind these programs are sociopathic in nature and they will lie and steal all the while feeding your fear and telling you they have the solution....you parents have the solution take time off be with your child help them understand what hormonal changes they are going through and these effects on moods etc.. dont freak out! remember what it was like when you were growing up take resposibility for some of your misparenting and regain respect not force! a teen is contending with lots of changes as part of growing up let them make mistakes and learn from them give them space and love not yelling or force. regain respect check yourself first...these programs will try and absolve you of any wrong doing and if thats what your looking for instead of the best for your child then by all means strip them of their rights and dignity and subject them to institutionalized child abuse!

[TheWho]

Maybe some laws should be amended to provide the right to due process for minors? Who, your somewhat salient point concerning daycare has one foible: daycare is a public facility, and programs are privately run...

This is America, Who.. a country that was supposed to be founded on freedom and justice for its citizens. Perhaps these same rights (concerning due process, at least) should be extended to children as well....?

I think in many cases they should, but where should we draw the lines?  Should kids decide to go to school or not at age 7?  Should parents allow the child to decide if they should or should not take their diabetes medicine?  At what age should they be allowed to take control of their own medical needs?  I know there is room for improvement but it just isnt black and white.  Some kids at age 10 can come home from school to an empty house and do just fine and can be trusted, other kids cant be trusted to do this even at age 18, so each case is different.  Who decides?



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[Froderik]

I don't know about some of those analogies.. but it would appear that something should change in order to protect kids from ending up in horribly abusive or fatal situations.

[Anonymous]

i know thewhos analogies are just evading the real issues

[Anonymous]

i know thewhos analogies are just evading the real issues another tried and true manipulation tactic to get you to say uh well i guess that makes sense but it doent it doesnt aplly it is just evading the real issues