drug addicts don't want to get clean

[Froderik]

Go get drunk

I'll consider it...

[Botched Programming]

Go get drunk

I'll consider it...

I'm with you Froderick... We'll need an on-running tab.

[Anonymous]

If you were not an alcoholic why did you enter a treatment center? You harbor self directed anger stemming from your poor decision.

I WAS TOLD IT WAS A BOARDING SCHOOL[/color]

Black-and-white thinking-- Believing everyone did not need treatment.

I'm not the one telling a person you don't know on the internet about whether or not they have a drug or alcohol prpblem.

Seeing the world through only your experience.

I came to the conclusions I did about Benchmark (and wrote about them) LONG before I ever found fornits.  If it was just my experience why are the experiences of so many others on this board so similar.

Overgeneralization-- Everyone who disagrees with you is not a cult member.

Fool.  There are three types of AA: institutionalized AA (where they force you to go first) then outside AA which is the support structure for the belief system.  Third is AlAnon where relatives and friends are indoctinated in cult ways.  You see... Unlike many cults, AA reaches out and convincingly indoctrinates family and friends who end up believing and further re-enforcing the cult dogma.  Furthermore, it spreads like wildfire and into the popular lingo and culture, making AA seem like the only way to treat alcoholism.  The supreme court ruled it a religion, this isn't really up to debate anymore.  I don't take too kindly to you shoving your beliefs down my throat and trying to tell me how to think, I was born with that capacity as was everybody if they would bother to fucking use it.

Ignoring the positives-- you are alive and free and not addicted to drugs.
Catastrophizing-- You are making a big deal out of nothing.

NOTHING.  NOTHING... They tried to tell my parents to abandon me on the streets.

Your anger is a positive sign that you are attempting to engage your repetitive Stinking Thinking behavior. You are showing progress by releasing this to me.

Releasing this to you?  Know what.  Pissing me off only makes it worse for your entire industry.  Go "release" your loaded language right up your ass.

The treatment center you chose was not as advertised, why stay? Parents are within their right to force adult children to leave the home. This is not known as abandonment. I think your parents attempted to help you gain your independence, which you were reluctant to do on your own. In time, as you mature I hope you realize this.

[Froderik]

Go get drunk

I'll consider it...

I'm with you Froderick... We'll need an on-running tab.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Froderik]

PROTIP: This is a troll in the traditional sense of the word.

Yep, I'll betcha..

This ought to be good.... :rofl:

[psy]

If you disagree with what you were taught, then great. Why spend so much of your life whining about it now? Go get drunk, nobody is forcing you to stay sober or go to meetings anymore.

I don't like to drink.  It intoxicates me and I like to have a clear mind.  I'm "whining" because it's still going on, not because of anything that happened to me in the past (but if you remind me of it, I might just get a tiny bit pissed off).

And the only reason I might ever attend an AA meeting might be to hand out copies of the Orange Papers.

[Botched Programming]

And the only reason I might ever attend an AA meeting might be to hand out copies of the Orange Papers.

Hey Psy.... I need to follow your lead and drop some copies off at the local NA Clubhouse.   ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::

[Anonymous]

I don't believe Psy was fooled by a treatment center claiming it was a boarding school. He reviewed the brochures and is lying about this. Treatment centers do not lie to adults to get them to enroll. Eighteen year old have finished high school and would question the idea of a boarding school when they would be thinking about college.

I think it's time for Psy to get honest.

[psy]

The treatment center you chose was not as advertised, why stay?

didn't I already answer this question when I explained how I was kept there.  They took my identification money property, etc... any ability to leave in an area where it is not feasible to get off the ground with nothing.

Parents are within their right to force adult children to leave the home. This is not known as abandonment. I think your parents attempted to help you gain your independence, which you were reluctant to do on your own. In time, as you mature I hope you realize this.

MY PARENTS SENT ME TO PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT I AM BI not becuase anything wrong with me or anything I did.  I WAS independent until they PULLED MY VISA to threaten me with either "boarding school" or deportation to the states with no resources.  Keep in mind also that I knew NOBODY in the United States who might have been able to help me out, especially on the west coast and my parents would not talk to me through program.  They kept holding a carrot on a stick of graduation to keep us running around in circles when they really had no intention of ever letting us graduate, much less helping us.  I only saw 3 people "graduate" while I was there (out of more than a hundred going through program).  What part of the word "cult" do you not understand.  GO click on "cults in our midst" by Margaret Singer on the feed your head links above and READ A BOOK before spouting off at the mouth and making yourself seem like an idiot.

[Anonymous]

I don't like to drink.  It intoxicates me and I like to have a clear mind.  I'm "whining" because it's still going on, not because of anything that happened to me in the past (but if you remind me of it, I might just get a tiny bit pissed off).

Then why did you enter a treatment facility? What is still going on, adults refusing to stand up to their parents are being pressured into unnecessary treatment? Oh, the horror. Ha.

[psy]

I don't believe Psy was fooled by a treatment center claiming it was a boarding school. He reviewed the brochures and is lying about this. Treatment centers do not lie to adults to get them to enroll.

Yes they do.  You want my sworn statement or you want to talk to my parents?

Eighteen year old have finished high school and would question the idea of a boarding school when they would be thinking about college.

did you not read I was home schooled and behind a half year?

I think it's time for Psy to get honest.

Fuck you.  I'll testify in court to what happened, so will others, and I you have no idea how much the suggestion to be honest when I ALREADY AM infuriates me (bad for your whole cult).

[Anonymous]

Your anger is a positive sign that you are attempting to engage your repetitive Stinking Thinking behavior. You are showing progress by releasing this to me.

Ugh. I hope you realize when you "analyze" people in this fashion you just come off as really crazy.

With that said, in my opinion, AA isn’t a cult. Yeah, it has cult elements, but having elements does not a cult make…sorta like taking drugs does not make you a drug addict.
I don’t know. REAL drug addiction is a scary, terrible, and rare thing. It’s hard to say what the right approach is. I think there have been actual scientifically valid studies that show that AA does some good? Am I correct in that?

[psy]

And the only reason I might ever attend an AA meeting might be to hand out copies of the Orange Papers.

Hey Psy.... I need to follow your lead and drop some copies off at the local NA Clubhouse.   ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::  ::roflmao::

LOL...  Good idea.  One thing did already do was to put of select articles from the orange papers next to the AA ads on the bulletin boards at school.  I think I'm probably going to raid one of their meetings sometime (or pick up chicks... good place to do it :wink:).

[Anonymous]

The treatment center you chose was not as advertised, why stay?

didn't I already answer this question when I explained how I was kept there.  They took my identification money property, etc... any ability to leave in an area where it is not feasible to get off the ground with nothing.

Parents are within their right to force adult children to leave the home. This is not known as abandonment. I think your parents attempted to help you gain your independence, which you were reluctant to do on your own. In time, as you mature I hope you realize this.

MY PARENTS SENT ME TO PROGRAM BECAUSE THEY FOUND OUT I AM BI not becuase anything wrong with me or anything I did.  I WAS independent until they PULLED MY VISA to threaten me with either "boarding school" or deportation to the states with no resources.  Keep in mind also that I knew NOBODY in the United States who might have been able to help me out, especially on the west coast and my parents would not talk to me through program.  They kept holding a carrot on a stick of graduation to keep us running around in circles when they really had no intention of ever letting us graduate, much less helping us.  I only saw 3 people "graduate" while I was there (out of more than a hundred going through program).  What part of the word "cult" do you not understand.  GO click on "cults in our midst" by Margaret Singer on the feed your head links above and READ A BOOK before spouting off at the mouth and making yourself seem like an idiot.

You could of left at any time but were frightened. It is okay to be scared. Most 18 year olds face the same challenges and supercede them. Your parents pressured you, but could not force you. You made the decision on your own. You must stop blaming others for your decision to enter and stay at a treatment facility.

[psy]

I think there have been actual scientifically valid studies that show that AA does some good? Am I correct in that?

Not really.

http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-effectiveness.html


When I said "Keep coming back, it will probably kill you if you work it" I wasn't at all kidding.

There are other options for addicts and alcoholics who want voluntary recovery solutions.  Maia Szalavitz wrote a Book on Recovery options and some more are listed on the Orange Papers.