CCM girl 1989

[Anonymous]

Yes, there's alot of care for survivors, unless they have an opinon about their own personal history that doesn't match what the body politic demands.

Sick

[Dr Fucktard]

Yes, there's alot of care for survivors, unless they have an opinon about their own personal history that doesn't match what the body politic demands.

Sick

Hear, hear!!

And they like to complain about "groupthink.."  :roll:

[Nihilanthic]

Yes, there's alot of care for survivors, unless they have an opinon about their own personal history that doesn't match what the body politic demands.

Sick

Bullshit.

CCMgirl is advocating programs without actually finding her hypothetical 'good one' and making blanket, generalized statements in defense of the program mindset.

There is such a thing as ethical treatment! There is no such thing as a good program. A program is by definition (ours!) unethical and based on coercion, isolation, confinement, and making someone complete a "personal growth curriculum" of levels, LGAT, confrontation, humiliation, and basically quack bullshit.

If she finds a good place that provides treatment, ETHICALLY, without the bullshit listed above, thats fine. But, without the program shit, it ain't a program. Its good TREATMENT.

That's the distinction she seems unable to present to us or understand, herself, it seems.

[Dr Fucktard]

Bullshit.

CCMgirl is advocating programs without actually finding her hypothetical 'good one' and making blanket, generalized statements in defense of the program mindset.

Damn you, would you just leave the poor girl alone!!  :flame:

Hasn't she been through enough??  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

[Anonymous]

Yes, there's alot of care for survivors, unless they have an opinon about their own personal history that doesn't match what the body politic demands.

Sick

Bullshit.

CCMgirl is advocating programs without actually finding her hypothetical 'good one' and making blanket, generalized statements in defense of the program mindset.

There is such a thing as ethical treatment! There is no such thing as a good program. A program is by definition (ours!) unethical and based on coercion, isolation, confinement, and making someone complete a "personal growth curriculum" of levels, LGAT, confrontation, humiliation, and basically quack bullshit.

If she finds a good place that provides treatment, ETHICALLY, without the bullshit listed above, thats fine. But, without the program shit, it ain't a program. Its good TREATMENT.

That's the distinction she seems unable to present to us or understand, herself, it seems.

Let's all ask ourselves this...

What makes Niles or CCM qualified to judge the effiectiveness of a psychiatric placement t or tbs placement?

Neither are qualified in any meaningful way to judge an adolescent placement. If either of them want that job I suggest they enroll in college, and be prepared to spend the next half dozen years engaged in difficult studies and internship.

Until then you are both just a couple of assholes arguing with each other on some small internet site, important only to those who post there.

[TheWho]

CCM has personal experience and has been thru a few programs so I tend to believe what she says and look forward to her posts.  I dont think this guy Niles understands what it is like to be in a program and is only here at fornits to dump his anger and hate and post pornography for shock value.  He doesnt seem interested in helping anyone or talking to people.

[Nihilanthic]

Let's all ask ourselves this...

What makes Niles or CCM qualified to judge the effiectiveness of a psychiatric placement t or tbs placement?

Neither are qualified in any meaningful way to judge an adolescent placement. If either of them want that job I suggest they enroll in college, and be prepared to spend the next half dozen years engaged in difficult studies and internship.

Until then you are both just a couple of assholes arguing with each other on some small internet site, important only to those who post there.

The argument isn't about placement. The argument is about ethical treatment when needed vs brainwashing by any other name.

Your appeal to authority is bullshit, considering this isn't regulated anyway, and if it was, and people did their jobs, and any idiot couldn't be an Ed-Con and "do a placement", we wouldn't need to be here!

I have never presented myself as a medical professional apt to make a decision if someone needs treatment or not. I have said that people should SEEK professionals, NOT turn to a quack program!

[TheWho]

The argument isn't about placement.

I think that it is and always has been.  You have said the kids dont need to be their, yet you have never been yourself.
How do you account for all the kids who benefit from the programs.  You talk thru the side of your mouth and never present any evidence.

[Nihilanthic]

Show me proof kids benefit from programs and we can start discussing if they're effective.

In the past 30 years I've seen nothing except subjective bullshit and anecdotes. I don't want to hear more, TheWho says enough of them.

Oh, wait.

[Anonymous]

I've seen nothing except subjective bullshit and anecdotes.

The same is true for reports of abuse. If you are going to believe a kid who says they were abused you also have to accept the word of a kid who said their life was saved.

Show me proof that abuse occurs in programs. I'm waiting. No bullshit stories some spoiled kid made up to get back at their parents via guilt trip, I want hard proof.

[TheWho]

So since there isnt any proof either way, how do you base your opinion? Figuring there are over 20,000 kids a year graduating from these schools and it seems there are maybe 5 or 6 people here on fornits who didnt do well and cant seem to move on.
How do you make a stand based on that?  Especially since you have never been to one.

[Nihilanthic]

I've seen nothing except subjective bullshit and anecdotes.

The same is true for reports of abuse. If you are going to believe a kid who says they were abused you also have to accept the word of a kid who said their life was saved.

Show me proof that abuse occurs in programs. I'm waiting. No bullshit stories some spoiled kid made up to get back at their parents via guilt trip, I want hard proof.

a) the reports have been consistent for decades, among everyone who presents them, among all so-called programs. That is very significant! People don't all tell the same LIE.

b) do I have to dig the same old shit up? Moravia Academy and Casa by the sea were closed by the local authorities for abusing kids. Straight was closed in 1994 for being abusive. High Impact was caught ON FILM.

The allegations from the program survivors make it apparent that the programs utilize BITE-model techniques, LGATs among them, as well as isolation, forced confessions, confrontation, humiliation and physical punishments of various sorts - VERY consistently.

[Nihilanthic]

So since there isnt any proof either way, how do you base your opinion? Figuring there are over 20,000 kids a year graduating from these schools and it seems there are maybe 5 or 6 people here on fornits who didnt do well and cant seem to move on.
How do you make a stand based on that?  Especially since you have never been to one.

The figure was 20,000 kids them at any one time.

There are WAY over 5 to 6 people on fornits... wow.

I also don't need to have been to one to look at the facts anymore than I have to have stood on the moon to know what's there.

[TheWho]

So since there isnt any proof either way, how do you base your opinion? Figuring there are over 20,000 kids a year graduating from these schools and it seems there are maybe 5 or 6 people here on fornits who didnt do well and cant seem to move on.
How do you make a stand based on that?  Especially since you have never been to one.

The figure was 20,000 kids them at any one time.

There are WAY over 5 to 6 people on fornits... wow.

I also don't need to have been to one to look at the facts anymore than I have to have stood on the moon to know what's there.

Care to share them with us?

[CCM girl 1989]

Yes, there's alot of care for survivors, unless they have an opinon about their own personal history that doesn't match what the body politic demands.

Sick

Bullshit.

CCMgirl is advocating programs without actually finding her hypothetical 'good one' and making blanket, generalized statements in defense of the program mindset.

There is such a thing as ethical treatment! There is no such thing as a good program. A program is by definition (ours!) unethical and based on coercion, isolation, confinement, and making someone complete a "personal growth curriculum" of levels, LGAT, confrontation, humiliation, and basically quack bullshit.

If she finds a good place that provides treatment, ETHICALLY, without the bullshit listed above, thats fine. But, without the program shit, it ain't a program. Its good TREATMENT.

That's the distinction she seems unable to present to us or understand, herself, it seems.

Let's all ask ourselves this...

What makes Niles or CCM qualified to judge the effiectiveness of a psychiatric placement t or tbs placement?

Neither are qualified in any meaningful way to judge an adolescent placement. If either of them want that job I suggest they enroll in college, and be prepared to spend the next half dozen years engaged in difficult studies and internship.

Until then you are both just a couple of assholes arguing with each other on some small internet site, important only to those who post there.

I agree with this person. I need to finish my courses (a lot of them that were in Psychology), and transfer to a 4 year. Even though I think it's very helpful to also have personal experiences as well.

I would like to assist kids, and take in maybe 4 at a time in my home. I think I could make a huge difference in their lives. Work like this is very emotionally exhausting though!

I applaud those who take these responsibilities on. I am not sure if I could, but I would like to be of some kind of help. Not just arguing with people like Niles. It's a little pointless, and sometimes a complete waste of time.

Maybe become a psychologist? Obviously, I would not be moving out of state! Not any time soon that is. So, no need to worry! I would not be working for a program LOL!!!! Not sure I would want to?