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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2007, 04:04:17 PM »
explains a lot of  stuff here.
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« Reply #16 on: October 30, 2007, 04:47:53 PM »
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My comments will be changed anyway, it doesn't matter what I think, or what I have to say anymore.

Jesus Christ! You enormous great whale of a hog's cunt, would you quit whining?  Me, me me...CCM didn't address the Narcissism, did they my bitch?

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« Reply #17 on: October 30, 2007, 05:46:01 PM »
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Parents, this is what group therapy looks like in programs...
::roflmao:: its funny because it's true... :lol:


We need to put CCM through a rap thread.
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« Reply #18 on: October 30, 2007, 06:33:33 PM »
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My comments will be changed anyway, it doesn't matter what I think, or what I have to say anymore.


Precious quote from CCMgirl, I think she just needs some structure and rules - that's all - I mean you can't just going around saying whatever you want, whenever you want to right?

I mean (exasperated sigh), c'mon - what if you said whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted at your job or school or college - what if everyone did that! There would no ORDER!!!! No rules!!! the world would cease to exist as we know it!!! :rofl:
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« Reply #19 on: October 30, 2007, 06:40:51 PM »
:rofl:  ::roflmao::  ::ftard::  ::bwahaha::  ::bwahaha2::  :silly:
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« Reply #20 on: November 01, 2007, 03:12:45 PM »
OK, OK, - you asked for the real CCM girl - here she is in all her glory - no worries it's safe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XE0dYZiJVs
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« Reply #21 on: November 01, 2007, 03:14:58 PM »
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« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2007, 04:06:58 PM »
We are here, because we want to make a difference in the world! And we can't do it by sitting at home or work just talking/typing about it.

LET'S STAGE A PROTEST!!!!

I'm totally serious. I really don't care which one of these places we stage it at??? I'm thinking it needs to be one that will get us the most attention. A state that allows us to protest...I'd hate to be arrested.......as much as I love the cuffs......I hate the cells. J/K I have had enough of that! Who would seriously consider doing this? I'm thinking sometime in March......???

I'd love to hear your thoughts! If anything it would be a great party!!!!!!


We do need to make a stand. Sooner or later......... or else it will continue to just go on and on.

I'm not going to be old, and gray typing on this keyboard of mine........you all do need to do something!!!

Is it the money issue?

Taking the time off from real life?

Kids are suffering.

Think about it.

I'd like to have a commitment from 50 people. I'm not going to show up there all alone.

What are you doing in March????

I hope you all are having a beautiful day out there! And as your thinking about how great life is (because it is), think about all of those teens that are currently at WWASPS and other programs like it who can't leave, and go outside to take a brisk walk, and smell the freshness of the air, and to hear the sounds of life.

They are in desperate need of our help! I can't do it alone, and I look forward to the day when we can all come together, and make a difference.

I hope you guys had a great week, and that you have some fun things planned for the weekend! Please don't forget about the thousands of kids that are in these programs, who aren't as fortunate to have the same freedoms as us.

I just want to remind people about showing up at these seminars. There are a number of them going across the country. Please check this website to find the closest one near you.

http://www.parentsupportservices.com/se ... N=88387652

You can get your message out in any way you'd like, it doesn't have to be full blown protest, if you've had little time to prepare. You can merely show up with some basic facts, and important information, that these parents deserve to have. Information that I am sure these seminars will not want to provide them with.

It doesn't matter if you are just one person, or fifty + people. What matters, is that you are being heard. How are these parents to know, unless we tell them what really happens at these places?

You can count on me to be at the one in San Jose, CA. it's only 2 hours from me. I used to live in Palo Alto so I have plenty of friends that I can stay with there. My style of approach is going to be cool, and calm. I am there to edjucate, and to get through to parents, not to be outta control, and scream in their face.

Now, if they were to kick me out of the hotel, and off the grounds, well then I do need to get loud. How else would I be heard??? Anyway, if there are people in the San Jose area that would like to show up, great! But, if you can't make it I understand. The only people who have no excuse are the people who live in the area who come on sites, such as this, and type away saying how awful it is, and then don't do shit about it. Those people irritate me!

I personally think the most important day to show up in San Jose, is 4-7 which is a Friday. We are all busy people, but this truely is the most important day for obvious reasons (1st day of seminar).

Hey guys!

I really need your help, and to show up in San Jose, Ca. 4-7 through 4-9. I am not sure if I will be able to be there the whole time??? The first day is the most important. If you are in the immediate 2 hour area I want you to be there!

I just got off the phone with Ken Kay. I asked him how he slept at night? He said he slept fine knowing that he's helped thousands of kids. No matter what I said.....he had no emotion........and finally got frusterated, and hung up on me.

The phone conversation lasted about 10 minutes, going back and forth.........and just the same shit we all read in the papers. What can I expect? What can we expect?

BTW....toward the end of the conversation, almost like it was an after thought, he brought up that WWASPS did not own or operate the 8 schools I mentioned.

During our conversation, he was working on his hot rod, and managed to electricute himself, I did let him know I was disappointed it wasn't at a higher voltage.....he didn't laugh at that one.

He did tell me though that I was obviousley not helped by the program, and that I was a sick individual.

Hmmm.........I haven't heard that from anyone since I was in that hell hole. Funny how it comes at me again when I talk to someone from that program. You see, that's how they treat the kids. Like something is wrong with them.

That's why I am here, that's why I'll remain.

I am in my 30's, and I am doing just fine. Except for one thing.....I came across WWASP on the internet about 5 months ago. I was very upset how they had grown in numbers, and when I had read what was still happening (and had even gotten worse since I had been there), I felt the need to start doing something about it.

It's hard since we are all very busy, but I would feel even more guilty then I already do, if I sat back and did nothing.

So, I am trying to do something. I am trying to get the truth out. Do I get something from doing this? Only the satisfaction that I am doing what is right.

It's pretty obvious to me that WWASPS staff post here. I personally could care less. I think it's great that they do this, because in order for them to post, they have to read what former students and parents have written about them.

Just as much as the owners think they can save families, by breaking the rebellious spirits of teenagers.........I think I can get in the minds of these staff who come on here to post, and hopefully get them to look at what their doing a little differently. A lot of staff that WWASPS hires has little to no schooling, and a lot of times come from small towns that have no other real job opportunities but working at a WWASP school.

So, if they can't break free of WWASP because they need to support a family, then I really hope that they might treat these kids with a little more kindness then the program would like them to.

That's all I can hope for until the day comes when these places are all shut down. It will come. The owners don't even know, but it will come. Just like the .com bust.........look what happened to the stock market......OUCH.........and look what is currently happening in California with the housing market.........???????

People always say don't worry, it's still great, blah blah blah! Then BAM!!!!! You get hit. I see the owners doing their best to patch a levy that is springing way to many leaks. It's on the verge of bursting, and will drown them all.

Who do you have to blame, but yourselves. You got too greedy. You lost sight of what was important to families. You thought you knew it all. You thought you had the answer to everyones problems. You don't. I don't think you ever did.

Are you directing this comment towards me? Because, I get this strange feeling you are?!! So, let me just say this......I was and sometimes still am angry and upset with my parents for sending me away, and into the hands of WWASP schools where I did experience abuse. It was very traumatic, and even after 15 years the pain is still there.

Look, I am a great person! I admit that I did not go about getting released from CCM the "right way". Sorry, but after being at Heritage School in Provo Utah for 3 1/2 years being sent there when I was 12, and then being shipped from Heritage School directly to Cross Creek Manor for 9 months. It was no mystery, my parents had planned to keep me there until I was 18. Just so they could travel the world with no worries. Gee, thanks!

My therapist Dr. Goodwin knew this. We talked about it openly. I was like a dog chasing it's tail for so long, thinking if I do well enough my parents will someday take me home. They never did. The fact WWASP sat back collecting my parents money, and not forcing them to take me home, or put me in a more appropriate place, it was very frusterating for me.

I regret things I have done, that may have hurt people, and caused them big time headaches. But, do they regret what they did to me? Who knows, but I doubt it.

It's in my nature to be forgiving. I also have the ability to still love those who may have hurt me. But, I cannot sit back, and let this continue. These schools, and what's happening. It's horrible, and I can't tell you how much this has been on my mind these past few months.

It drives me crazy, and for those of you who I did hurt.......I never lied. I only did what I had to do to get away. I deserved to be released, and you know that. Blackmailing people was a one time thing for me. It killed me to do it. I still feel guilty, and horrible about it. But, there was no other options. It was the only way you'd let me leave.

There was a comment that was made a few posts back......with WWASPS you are getting a particle board kitchen table at a solid oak table price. This comment really sums up how I feel about WWASPS.

WWASP pays parents and anyone else interested thousands of dollars in cash or free months to recruit for them -- and nothing you say will change that fact. Spin the facts and your own logic all you want -- it changes nothing.
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« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2007, 06:43:20 PM »
You are quite verbose.
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« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 05:39:38 AM »
Look, there is no denying that is how I felt 2 years ago. I stumbled upon Fornits, not thinking about any of my experiences for 15 whole years. I came here, and started reading everyones posts. I was outraged of the allegations of abuse. I believed everything that people were saying on here, and I wanted to go after them (WWASPS), I am not denying that.

But, after I calmed down...took a look at the other side, took a long hard look at myself, I changed my mind.

I don't feel that way anymore. I figured out some things, and quite frankly with how you all were acting (and still acting), I woke up real quick. I started thinking more, and more, I am not like the majority of people on here.

I am not anti-program. I am all for getting families, and teens on the right track. However that may be. I am not an ed con, and I don't refer families to schools/programs/treatment centers. I just see things differently.

People say that I am "Programmed" but, don't you think I would of come out of there preaching how great everything was, and yada, yada, yada if I was programmed? From the get go I would've been like the programs saved my life!!! It didn't happen that way  though, did it?

I finally just realized that I felt differently about my experiences then most of you felt about yours. I stopped blaming everyone else. I took some responsibility for the things that got me sent there in the first place. And now, I sit here and wonder why, or how I said the things I did say in the first place.

Was I a fucked up teenager? Yes. Did I need help? Yes. Was it the best help I could've gotten? No. Was home an option for me? No. Had I run out of options? Yes. Did I learn some things from the programs? Yes.

The one thing, that I will say, is that I was in there for too long. I think that hurt me. But, I'm not there anymore. It's nothing I will ever have to deal with again. It's called moving on folks. You're right, I can't tell you to just get over it. You will when your ready.

But, the thing we disagree with the most, is that there are a lot of kids out there who come from families that are completely disfunctional. They do need help, and by you coming on here to say all programs are evil, and abusive doesn't help. By you posting porn, and saying rude crude stuff, doesn't help.

It's late. But, just know that I've moved on. I am not blaming everyone, and I am taking responsibility. I have run out of words. But, just know that this is coming from my heart. If you choose to attack me, whatever. At this point, I don't see how things could get any worse.
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f you were never in a program, or a parent of a child in a program, then you have no business posting here.

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« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 05:46:08 AM »
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Look, there is no denying that is how I felt 2 years ago. I stumbled upon Fornits, not thinking about any of my experiences for 15 whole years. I came here, and started reading everyones posts. I was outraged of the allegations of abuse. I believed everything that people were saying on here, and I wanted to go after them (WWASPS), I am not denying that.

But, after I calmed down...took a look at the other side, took a long hard look at myself, I changed my mind.

I don't feel that way anymore. I figured out some things, and quite frankly with how you all were acting (and still acting), I woke up real quick. I started thinking more, and more, I am not like the majority of people on here.

I am not anti-program. I am all for getting families, and teens on the right track. However that may be. I am not an ed con, and I don't refer families to schools/programs/treatment centers. I just see things differently.

People say that I am "Programmed" but, don't you think I would of come out of there preaching how great everything was, and yada, yada, yada if I was programmed? From the get go I would've been like the programs saved my life!!! It didn't happen that way  though, did it?

I finally just realized that I felt differently about my experiences then most of you felt about yours. I stopped blaming everyone else. I took some responsibility for the things that got me sent there in the first place. And now, I sit here and wonder why, or how I said the things I did say in the first place.

Was I a fucked up teenager? Yes. Did I need help? Yes. Was it the best help I could've gotten? No. Was home an option for me? No. Had I run out of options? Yes. Did I learn some things from the programs? Yes.

The one thing, that I will say, is that I was in there for too long. I think that hurt me. But, I'm not there anymore. It's nothing I will ever have to deal with again. It's called moving on folks. You're right, I can't tell you to just get over it. You will when your ready.

But, the thing we disagree with the most, is that there are a lot of kids out there who come from families that are completely disfunctional. They do need help, and by you coming on here to say all programs are evil, and abusive doesn't help. By you posting porn, and saying rude crude stuff, doesn't help.

It's late. But, just know that I've moved on. I am not blaming everyone, and I am taking responsibility. I have run out of words. But, just know that this is coming from my heart. If you choose to attack me, whatever. At this point, I don't see how things could get any worse.

Considering you're the only person who has taken the "red pill" then decided to get jacked back in i'm wonding what price you paid for your soul.  Is it brainwashing or is there financial motivation?  You seem to have enough ethics to try to get staff fired (and possiblly arrested / lives ruined) for fun...  I wouldn't put it past you to work for the industry.

TSW thinks you're just dandy because you're a survivor.  I don't. I think you're fucked up in the head past any semblance of sanity.  You think kids fucking staff is ok!  Have you been talking to Ken Kay recently?  You on the payroll.  Maybe you're working for ... oh wait.  this makes sense: Lon Woodbury's forum.  Yup.  Bingo.  Just like Kristin and the board programmer/admin who was in a WWASP program.  You were dissatisfied with fornits, dissappeared for a while, allegedly started working with Kevin August in his referral to Magnolia (at the very least vocally supported).

I might feel sorry for you if you weren't defending the most infamous of programs in this country.... nope.  I feel sorry for parents who have lost their kids to these programs and I feel sorry for survivors who realize what happened (most on thier own, fornits is a gathering place, survivors find it).  I feel really sorry for those who don't recognize what happened to them, who will never be themselves again, who have become what program envisioned and never looked back. not a shread of individuality or choice left.  Slaves with broken will.

You, on the other hand, figured things out then went back.  I haven't seen that happen before.  Reeks of Ashlyn Scheff, doesn't it.  Deja-vu.  You have your masters and you don't even know it, regardless.  After a while you'll start working for them if you don't already.  You can't walk away from this.  Normal people who are insulted on an internet bulletin board just walk away. You have a connection here, for or against.  If anything, that should prove to you that you were dramatically affected by program.  Or there is some other motivation for your posting here... perhaps subtle advertising (beware parents: wolves in sheeps clothing are all over in this industry).  I'm not accusing you of anything, just considering possibilities and thinking aloud.
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« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2007, 06:49:30 AM »
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TSW thinks you're just dandy because you're a survivor.


Incorrect.
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« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 08:45:38 AM »
my translation in red[/color]

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Look, there is no denying that is how I felt 2 years ago. I stumbled upon Fornits, not thinking about any of my experiences for 15 whole years. I came here, and started reading everyones posts. I was outraged of the allegations of abuse. I believed everything that people were saying on here, and I wanted to go after them (WWASPS), I am not denying that.
"I was bored 2 years ago, had no friends, so I joined fornits and became a tool."

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But, after I calmed down...took a look at the other side, took a long hard look at myself, I changed my mind.
"After I started taking my medication as prescribed and was hired by an edcon, I decided to begin trolling fornits and disrupting threads."


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I don't feel that way anymore. I figured out some things, and quite frankly with how you all were acting (and still acting), I woke up real quick. I started thinking more, and more, I am not like the majority of people on here.
"I was getting upset with the truth and couldn't face my own painful experiences, so I decided to repress and deny them instead. The program taught me that anyone who "acts up" is bad. Plus, I got a huge bonus from private sources to keep my mouth shut like a good girl."

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I am not anti-program. I am all for getting families, and teens on the right track. However that may be. I am not an ed con, and I don't refer families to schools/programs/treatment centers. I just see things differently.
"I've been bought and paid for, whether by the industry or the damage inflicted on me already in a program. Unless you are being flogged with whips and dipped in cauldron of molten lead - it's not abuse. Sex between staff and client is OK as long as the client *enjoyed* it."

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People say that I am "Programmed" but, don't you think I would of come out of there preaching how great everything was, and yada, yada, yada if I was programmed? From the get go I would've been like the programs saved my life!!! It didn't happen that way though, did it?

"I was here intially because I cannot think for myself and whoever has the more persuasive argument will win me over - I will deny my own truth and my own experience & other program survivors have had."

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I finally just realized that I felt differently about my experiences then most of you felt about yours. I stopped blaming everyone else. I took some responsibility for the things that got me sent there in the first place. And now, I sit here and wonder why, or how I said the things I did say in the first place.
"If it weren't for the programs I was in - I would be insanedeadorinjail - abuse saved my life - glory be to jesus.  & Basically, I am a tool - not a strong tool, but a weak one."

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Was I a fucked up teenager? Yes. Did I need help? Yes. Was it the best help I could've gotten? No. Was home an option for me? No. Had I run out of options? Yes. Did I learn some things from the programs? Yes.
"I am very confused about my experiences but I will put a good spin on them because I'm not insanedeadorinjail. Why else could I possibly be OK?"

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The one thing, that I will say, is that I was in there for too long. I think that hurt me. But, I'm not there anymore. It's nothing I will ever have to deal with again. It's called moving on folks. You're right, I can't tell you to just get over it. You will when your ready.
"You should just forget everything you've lived through, even though you carry those emotional scars and effects of PTSD EVERY SINGLE DAY. If you can pretend everything is alright, then it must be. & nevermind other kids who are going through the same thing right now - they too can forget (if they get out alive) after they trun 18 and leave - or runaway and hid like I had to."

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But, the thing we disagree with the most, is that there are a lot of kids out there who come from families that are completely disfunctional. They do need help, and by you coming on here to say all programs are evil, and abusive doesn't help. By you posting porn, and saying rude crude stuff, doesn't help
.
"I'm offended that you all don't just agree with me and constantly find ways to discredit me."

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It's late. But, just know that I've moved on. I am not blaming everyone, and I am taking responsibility. I have run out of words. But, just know that this is coming from my heart. If you choose to attack me, whatever. At this point, I don't see how things could get any worse.

"I'm not leaving here - I'll be a troll forever. I'll tell those abused in programs they are just playing the victim card - & then play the victim card myself when the going gets rough."
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« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2007, 10:19:00 AM »
CCM Girl is entitled to do whatever she chooses with her own life.

CCM Girl's behaviors that became so offensive was calling suvivors  WHINERS; showing outright support of people like Kevin August who REFERRED to abusive programs, like Magnolia Christian Aacademy; and the outrageous statement that sexually abused children "liked it."

Some people may have been put off by CCM Girl's shallow bragging about her collection of materialist "goodies"--her fancy house, pool, cars, horses, etc...as if she wanted to make SURE posters realized she'd married well, and was a "step above" the common poster.

The most telling of CCM Girl's 2 year posting saga; she ended up with only one friend, THE WHO.  Mentally, she's still "a controlled girl  whonever left HER PROGRAM."  She parrots THE WHO's nonsense   constantly. Like THE WHO, she changes her "story," attacks posters, downgrades survivors --CCM Girl simply lacks THE WHO's ability to write well, and to manipulate with words.  She's still too emotional; but THE WHO is training her well.
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« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2007, 01:32:32 PM »
my translation in red[/color]

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Look, there is no denying that is how I felt 2 years ago. I stumbled upon Fornits, not thinking about any of my experiences for 15 whole years. I came here, and started reading everyones posts. I was outraged of the allegations of abuse. I believed everything that people were saying on here, and I wanted to go after them (WWASPS), I am not denying that.
"I was bored 2 years ago, had no friends, so I joined fornits and became a tool."

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But, after I calmed down...took a look at the other side, took a long hard look at myself, I changed my mind.
"After I started taking my medication as prescribed and was hired by an edcon, I decided to begin trolling fornits and disrupting threads."


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I don't feel that way anymore. I figured out some things, and quite frankly with how you all were acting (and still acting), I woke up real quick. I started thinking more, and more, I am not like the majority of people on here.
"I was getting upset with the truth and couldn't face my own painful experiences, so I decided to repress and deny them instead. The program taught me that anyone who "acts up" is bad. Plus, I got a huge bonus from private sources to keep my mouth shut like a good girl."

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I am not anti-program. I am all for getting families, and teens on the right track. However that may be. I am not an ed con, and I don't refer families to schools/programs/treatment centers. I just see things differently.
"I've been bought and paid for, whether by the industry or the damage inflicted on me already in a program. Unless you are being flogged with whips and dipped in cauldron of molten lead - it's not abuse. Sex between staff and client is OK as long as the client *enjoyed* it."

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People say that I am "Programmed" but, don't you think I would of come out of there preaching how great everything was, and yada, yada, yada if I was programmed? From the get go I would've been like the programs saved my life!!! It didn't happen that way though, did it?

"I was here intially because I cannot think for myself and whoever has the more persuasive argument will win me over - I will deny my own truth and my own experience & other program survivors have had."

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I finally just realized that I felt differently about my experiences then most of you felt about yours. I stopped blaming everyone else. I took some responsibility for the things that got me sent there in the first place. And now, I sit here and wonder why, or how I said the things I did say in the first place.
"If it weren't for the programs I was in - I would be insanedeadorinjail - abuse saved my life - glory be to jesus.  & Basically, I am a tool - not a strong tool, but a weak one."

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Was I a fucked up teenager? Yes. Did I need help? Yes. Was it the best help I could've gotten? No. Was home an option for me? No. Had I run out of options? Yes. Did I learn some things from the programs? Yes.
"I am very confused about my experiences but I will put a good spin on them because I'm not insanedeadorinjail. Why else could I possibly be OK?"

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The one thing, that I will say, is that I was in there for too long. I think that hurt me. But, I'm not there anymore. It's nothing I will ever have to deal with again. It's called moving on folks. You're right, I can't tell you to just get over it. You will when your ready.
"You should just forget everything you've lived through, even though you carry those emotional scars and effects of PTSD EVERY SINGLE DAY. If you can pretend everything is alright, then it must be. & nevermind other kids who are going through the same thing right now - they too can forget (if they get out alive) after they trun 18 and leave - or runaway and hid like I had to."

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But, the thing we disagree with the most, is that there are a lot of kids out there who come from families that are completely disfunctional. They do need help, and by you coming on here to say all programs are evil, and abusive doesn't help. By you posting porn, and saying rude crude stuff, doesn't help
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"I'm offended that you all don't just agree with me and constantly find ways to discredit me."

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It's late. But, just know that I've moved on. I am not blaming everyone, and I am taking responsibility. I have run out of words. But, just know that this is coming from my heart. If you choose to attack me, whatever. At this point, I don't see how things could get any worse.

"I'm not leaving here - I'll be a troll forever. I'll tell those abused in programs they are just playing the victim card - & then play the victim card myself when the going gets rough."
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