In a long-winded way, I think your answer to Niles' question was "yes."
Fine with me.
So, CCMgirl, does your approved program keep kids without due process or those who clearly do not need any "help"?
In regards to Heritage, the kids are evaluated on a daily basis by staff members in their end of shift logs, which are then given to the therapists of these children, for them to review. That makes it so when the therapist meets with the child they are not only talking about their past problems at home, but the problems they are having in the program.
As far as before they go in, sometimes the school is going on the parents word, that their child needs help, and not by the courts ruling. Sometimes that is due to the fact that, the parents are trying to nip the problem in the bud before it gets the juvenile system, and gets extremely messy.
So, I guess that you could say that there are kids that have not been ordered by the court, or by another governing type of agency, to be placed there.
But, I would have to say, that all the kids I came across there needed some type of therapy, or treatment, and benefited from it. You are trying to group this school in with some of the schools that are very well known to be abusive. I'm not going to let that happen. Parents need to have safe places to send their kids, to get the help that they need.
You just want to let kids run wild, and if it kills people, or hurts the public, who cares?!! Not to mention hurting themselves.
She sounds like a god damned program apologist. :roll:
So does the therapist decide when they go home,
OR IS THERE A LEVEL SYSTEM YES/NO? Yanno, the whole "fix problems that need captive fixing or send them home" concept of "ethical treatment"... *sigh*.
As far as before they go in, sometimes the school is going on the parents word, that their child needs help, and not by the courts ruling. Sometimes that is due to the fact that, the parents are trying to nip the problem in the bud before it gets the juvenile system, and gets extremely messy.
So you're going to ignore every single person who was thrown into a program because their parents wanted them to be thrown in, due to edcons fucking with thier heads, genuinely being mistaken, or simply wanting them gone, and not needing a REASON to keep them there?
Wow lets slap everyone in the fucking face who was unnecessarily put through a program becuase CCM Girl thinks its "nipping it in the bud". You sound like a STRAIGHTling saying if theyre not a druggie yet, they will be!
I also like how you basically skirted the whole "due process" question so well but basically admitted that there isn't any... and forewent answering the "level" question or what the criteria for release are!
But, I would have to say, that all the kids I came across there needed some type of therapy, or treatment, and benefited from it. You are trying to group this school in with some of the schools that are very well known to be abusive. I'm not going to let that happen. Parents need to have safe places to send their kids, to get the help that they need.
Now, think about this. You were a teenager. A program survivor. And a self-admitted "bad kid", but you approve of this program!Through rosy retrospection you're giving them an archaeo-diagnosis when you have no credentials to do so, no formal education at all, just your own program experience and the foregone conclusion that its a good program, so everyone there needed to be there, right?
I mean, never mind their rights being trampled, no due process, and nothing wrong with them except mommy and daddy think (possibly because an EdCon convinced them!) that the kid had to be there, they got something out of it, by golly, and years of isolation and solitude are A-OK and robbing years of their teens is now OK becuase CCM Girl in her infinite wisdom said they had something to get out of it and SOMEONE said they should be there, JUST incase.
Parents need to have safe places to send their kids, to get the help that they need.
Why not find out if they need any fucking help in the first place, and sometimes the help they need can't be found at a program? Ever consider that?
Regardless, just because mommy said so doesn't mean anybody but mommy needs some help. And for that matter, just because you say you think some kids need help, doesn't necessarily mean anyone but you does, CCMGirl.