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« Reply #150 on: September 14, 2007, 07:21:47 PM »
The only "parents" that talk to theWho are anonymous. [/quote]

Classic...  I love this place!
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« Reply #151 on: September 14, 2007, 08:27:08 PM »
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This site goes on all night.   I looked into CEDU and WWASP and one was talking about the bankruptcy of their school and the other showed me a group of schools but no mention of ASR or Wolfeboro.  I don’t know all the little points of her stay but she came home very happy and wants to live in Costa Rica and do volunteer work.  There was no local magistrate who ordered her to go. Her parents found the place thru friends who had a child there.  I have to say that it is not abusive at all, the food was actually better than home she said and she did put on weight.  They went rafting or canoing and were able to go into town for movies.  They were very strict on her with her studies, which she didnt like.  She was never a big academic, so I know she considered that abusive since she wanted to drop out of school and they would not let her.  They took most of her clothes away from her for not being appropriate and her mum had to send new ones, which drove her bonko , her mum buys prudish type clothes.

To the who:  Someone doesn’t like you very much.


CEDU and WWASP are totally different entities and are not related to ASR and others.  ASR isn’t your typical place where kids are forced or court ordered to go.  It is more of an elite boarding school for struggling kids, your cousin did well by choosing it.  My daughter liked the food also (doesn’t say much for how I cooked, though!) and they are strict on their rules, especially study times.  I had to send her some new clothes also, there was a rule you couldn’t have anything with glitter and I sent her a sweater with just a little glitter around the sleeve and she wasn’t allowed to wear it.  I never knew why they couldn’t have glitter.  The Costa Rica portion was a nice end to her stay there.  She really blossomed.


Yes, I have my own personal troll, it seems,  who doesn’t like the fact that I speak about my daughters success.  If you read around the site here you will notice most of the posts are negative towards all programs and schools.  Anyone who comes on here with anything positive is hounded a bit until they leave.  This particular troll is a little frustrated that I have stuck it out so long.


The trolls here are notorious for their negativity and ATTACKS.
I am pleased to hear she had a positive program experience. Don't be surprised when this point falls on deaf ears and you are ATTACKED by ZEALOTS.
There are many good programs out there. It sounds like you found one of them.
When I chose a program for my son -- wilderness and TBS -- it was difficult finding REAL information.
I have decided to help with this problem and DO SOMETHING. I DO NOT TAKE REFERRAL FEES I AM NOT LIKE  SUE SCHEFF.
I am seeking VOLUNTEER parents to inspect facilities. Parents who know what to look for. We just put our website up, check us out!
www.WHOOMP.org
Woman Have Our Own Mother Priority

IT'S TIME TO ACT.
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« Reply #152 on: September 14, 2007, 08:38:38 PM »
The National Institute for Methodical Parenting is also in support of this.

Come visit http://therapy.on.nimp.org for our pro-program website.

And remember, don't believe everything you read on Fornits!
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« Reply #153 on: September 14, 2007, 08:41:18 PM »
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The National Institute for Methodical Parenting is also in support of this.

Come visit http://therapy.on.nimp.org for our pro-program website.

And remember, don't believe everything you read on Fornits!


 ::bwahaha::

Of course not silly.

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« Reply #154 on: September 14, 2007, 09:09:21 PM »
Guest wrote:
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The trolls here are notorious for their negativity and ATTACKS.
I am pleased to hear she had a positive program experience. Don't be surprised when this point falls on deaf ears and you are ATTACKED by ZEALOTS.
There are many good programs out there. It sounds like you found one of them.
When I chose a program for my son -- wilderness and TBS -- it was difficult finding REAL information.


Thanks guest, you get use to the trolls after awhile.......It is really difficult to get information on which TBS or wilderness to choose.  There were not many options when I was looking for a my daughter and we didn’t use and Edcon.  Now that I am better informed I would suggest looking at NATSAP web site.  They seem to be raising the standards on which schools they allow in for membership.  If you find a type of program that fits your needs I would strongly suggest that you speak to parents who have had children attend that particular program before making a commitment.  But I feel this is a good start for most parents who are looking for placement.
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« Reply #155 on: September 14, 2007, 10:09:10 PM »
TheWho: Your link does not work it goes to our old site.

Parents looking for placement try this link instead-- it actually works.

NATSAP
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« Reply #156 on: September 14, 2007, 10:11:42 PM »
I note the who does not deny his claim that he had molested his own daughter. This is because he was stupid enough to post it
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« Reply #157 on: September 14, 2007, 11:26:15 PM »
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Guest wrote:
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The trolls here are notorious for their negativity and ATTACKS.
I am pleased to hear she had a positive program experience. Don't be surprised when this point falls on deaf ears and you are ATTACKED by ZEALOTS.
There are many good programs out there. It sounds like you found one of them.
When I chose a program for my son -- wilderness and TBS -- it was difficult finding REAL information.

Thanks guest, you get use to the trolls after awhile.......It is really difficult to get information on which TBS or wilderness to choose.  There were not many options when I was looking for a my daughter and we didn’t use and Edcon.  Now that I am better informed I would suggest looking at NATSAP web site.  They seem to be raising the standards on which schools they allow in for membership.  If you find a type of program that fits your needs I would strongly suggest that you speak to parents who have had children attend that particular program before making a commitment.  But I feel this is a good start for most parents who are looking for placement.


QFTing to prove TheWho's stupidity (with edited NATSAP link, naturally).

Hey Who, did you bother clicking that link before you replied? :lol:
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« Reply #158 on: September 15, 2007, 07:29:28 AM »
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Guest wrote:
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The trolls here are notorious for their negativity and ATTACKS.
I am pleased to hear she had a positive program experience. Don't be surprised when this point falls on deaf ears and you are ATTACKED by ZEALOTS.
There are many good programs out there. It sounds like you found one of them.
When I chose a program for my son -- wilderness and TBS -- it was difficult finding REAL information.

Thanks guest, you get use to the trolls after awhile.......It is really difficult to get information on which TBS or wilderness to choose.  There were not many options when I was looking for a my daughter and we didn’t use and Edcon.  Now that I am better informed I would suggest looking at NATSAP web site.  They seem to be raising the standards on which schools they allow in for membership.  If you find a type of program that fits your needs I would strongly suggest that you speak to parents who have had children attend that particular program before making a commitment.  But I feel this is a good start for most parents who are looking for placement.


The link is working okay.........I suggest that anyone "Donot" click on a link from a guest poster or unless you feel comfortable with who they are.
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« Reply #159 on: September 15, 2007, 09:44:54 AM »
Natsap is a collection of industry representatives who are more concerned with maintaining the bottom lines of their programmes than raising standards.

NATSAP = bullshit.
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« Reply #160 on: September 15, 2007, 10:20:09 AM »
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This site goes on all night. I looked into CEDU and WWASP and one was talking about the bankruptcy of their school and the other showed me a group of schools but no mention of ASR or Wolfeboro. I don’t know all the little points of her stay but she came home very happy and wants to live in Costa Rica and do volunteer work. There was no local magistrate who ordered her to go. Her parents found the place thru friends who had a child there. I have to say that it is not abusive at all, the food was actually better than home she said and she did put on weight. They went rafting or canoing and were able to go into town for movies. They were very strict on her with her studies, which she didnt like. She was never a big academic, so I know she considered that abusive since she wanted to drop out of school and they would not let her. They took most of her clothes away from her for not being appropriate and her mum had to send new ones, which drove her bonko , her mum buys prudish type clothes.
You can expend a great deal of energy bickering about whether physical conditions can be deemed abusive or not.  The physical conditions are, when all is said and done, merely symptoms and crude barometers of where the true, diabolical abuse often lies: deep in the psyche of the kids that go to these places.

I can think of camping experiences I've had where the physical conditions might meet the criteria of conditions that some might deem "abusive," but I did not consider them abusive.  Why?  I wasn't being brainwashed.  It was summer camp, not reprogramming.

On the other hand, there are places like ASR where some of the kids experience conditions that can be deemed physically abusive, but some do not.  Depends on the kid and the particular dynamic with personnel that are there at that given point in time, etc. etc.  Something might be said about what kind of number gets done on a kid's head seeing that shit go on around you, whether you, yourself, have to jump through those hoops or not.  'Cuz the real point of places like ASR is reprogramming, and that IS inherently psychologically abusive to some kids, whether you can put your finger on specific "evidence" or not.  Much of the damage done does not surface right away, might even take years to surface for some kids.

There is also something else I should say about places like this.  There is such a power trip mentality going on amongst many of the staff, and such a degradation of respect for other people's autonomy, that these conditions often end up translating into sexual abuse of the minors who get sent there to get "fixed" and "straightened out."  Again, it can take years before those truths see the light of day.  Those kids are informed that they are "special," that other people "wouldn't understand," blah blah blah... Just a heads up for you, for what it's worth...
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« Reply #161 on: September 15, 2007, 10:26:57 AM »
The best part about Ursus post had to have come after Ursus posted it.. Lols... gags... hahahahah

god damn..
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« Reply #162 on: September 15, 2007, 10:33:07 AM »
It seems this thread got derailed back on the bottom of page 14 and turned into a debate about ASR..

Anyone new to this thread should go back and read the OP...
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« Reply #163 on: September 15, 2007, 01:58:51 PM »
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It seems this thread got derailed back on the bottom of page 14 and turned into a debate about ASR..

Anyone new to this thread should go back and read the OP...


depends on your forum settings actually, i have only 8 pages not 14 because i set my threads to show 20 messages at a time instead of 10.   a link to the post in reference might help. just thought i'd mention it.
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« Reply #164 on: September 15, 2007, 02:20:45 PM »
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It seems this thread got derailed back on the bottom of page 14 and turned into a debate about ASR..

Anyone new to this thread should go back and read the OP...

depends on your forum settings actually, i have only 8 pages not 14 because i set my threads to show 20 messages at a time instead of 10.   a link to the post in reference might help. just thought i'd mention it.

Well then, some algebra will come in handy..let's see.. i guess you'd take the fraction 14 over 17 and set up the equation with the numerator and the unknown over 8 (the known denominator with your settings). Then you would proceed to solve the equation by cross-multiplying...etc.. lol. Of course, you would have to factor in an average allowing for a variance in the sizes of posts (ultimately, posts per page).

Perhaps I should have just said "back there somewhere" in lieu of my more direct reference...hindsight's 20/20..
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