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« Reply #120 on: September 13, 2007, 07:55:02 PM »
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Its awful, the way it use to be from what I have read.  Those terrible punishment schools are gone.  The rehabilitation now at least has the kids talking to one another and their family needs to be present for many of the events.  I am not saying they are great but at least they closed those places like straight.


Its not any different now.  Honestly, its not.  I wish, oh god how I wish, it was.


My mum has a cousin who sent her daughter to the states to one of those schools.  She was beautiful but was having troubles and her parents were able to call and visit her.  They wrote letters and she wasn’t abused at all and had a good social circle developed there, when she finished she was accepted to Harrow, which is a good school here.
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« Reply #121 on: September 13, 2007, 08:44:51 PM »
I'm not saying that there aren't nice summer camps and boarding schools.  Those are very different from what we're talking about here.  Anything that has forced or coerced 'therapy', isn't therapy.  Therapy cannon, by its nature, be either.

Boarding schools, while not my choice to raise a child, are different from TBSs or RTCs or the like.

And summer camp?  Are you kidding?  I have some of my best memories from a true summer camp.  Bonfires, sneaking out and making out, skinny dipping.  Ahhh. good times.
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« Reply #122 on: September 13, 2007, 09:26:09 PM »
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I'm not saying that there aren't nice summer camps and boarding schools.  Those are very different from what we're talking about here.  Anything that has forced or coerced 'therapy', isn't therapy.  Therapy cannon, by its nature, be either.

Boarding schools, while not my choice to raise a child, are different from TBSs or RTCs or the like.

And summer camp?  Are you kidding?  I have some of my best memories from a true summer camp.  Bonfires, sneaking out and making out, skinny dipping.  Ahhh. good times.


This was like a summer camp/ boarding school for kids who were having problems at home.  She was a pretty little girl but always in trouble and her school work was bad.  Her Mum was torn but got her father to pay for her trip and half the cost.  She did very well, we would laugh that she went all the way to America to learn Spanish.  I guess they sent her to Costa rica or panama to learn Spanish, when she could have flown to Spain for so much less.  We were amazed at how well she was when she came home.

The summer camps here, that I went to, were just one big party and skinny dipping was the way to go if the counselors were sleeping.  I found my first boyfriend that way, my parents used to send me for 6 weeks in the summer.  No drugs or anything back then.  My cousin would have had fun but she was so pretty I am sure she would not have survived and got in trouble, she did well in America.
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« Reply #123 on: September 13, 2007, 09:32:57 PM »
Meh... now they have gone and fucked up the one thing that we Americans got right.. the summer camping tradition...

bleh..
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« Reply #124 on: September 13, 2007, 09:37:48 PM »
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This was like a summer camp/ boarding school for kids who were having problems at home.  .



I did  read the rest of what you said, but none of it mattered beyond this.



Summer camp is summer camp.


Behavioral therapy is behavioral therapy.  



Don't water it down  And don't degrade one of the few traditions we can be proud of.  Really.
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« Reply #125 on: September 13, 2007, 09:40:55 PM »
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The summer camps here, that I went to, were just one big party and skinny dipping was the way to go if the counselors were sleeping.  I found my first boyfriend that way, my parents used to send me for 6 weeks in the summer.  No drugs or anything back then.  My cousin would have had fun but she was so pretty I am sure she would not have survived and got in trouble, she did well in America.



Most of those fond memories you have would be enough to warrant shipping you off for at least a couple of years.

Sad, isn't it?

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« Reply #126 on: September 13, 2007, 09:41:53 PM »
yeah there are some good summer camps for the "not so well behaved". i hate institutions, i went to H.L.A and R.C.I, and i have nothing but bad things to say about them. but after h.l.a i went to Wolfeboro campschool in NH...and it was pretty fun. sucked in some ways - the headmaster had a drug sniffing dog, so it was impossible to get standard street drugs like weed on campus. the classes were tough, you had hours of supervised study hall every day, and alot of responsibilities around campus, but, there was plenty of other fun to go around. kids got in cigs, pills galore, among other deviant fun. and they actually treated us well....so well like 50% of the students come back year after year, and some become counselors when they go to college.

but...still issues with these camps.....the medical treatment sucks sucks sucks. i got sick there, got walking pnemonia, but they diagnosed it as a cold. by the time i got back i had fluid all up in my lungs and had to be hospitalized for 3 weeks. a few other kids got deathly sick too - 3 got whopping cough, and 2 got sallomonella. a few kids had psychotic fits there too...and they had no idea what was going on. some girl was slipped LSD at a theme park, and she got arrested for flippin out and sent to the psych ward. she was only 12, so they didnt belive the lsd story, and her urine came back negative (duh, lsd doesnt show), so they thought she was faking it, and reprimanded her harshly, while she was still tripping. another kid was going through vicodin detox at one point, and it was making him go crazy, hallucinate. they also didnt belive him so the let him suffer with no help, had to go to class everyday like everyone else.
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« Reply #127 on: September 13, 2007, 09:49:44 PM »
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This was like a summer camp/ boarding school for kids who were having problems at home.  .


I did  read the rest of what you said, but none of it mattered beyond this.



Summer camp is summer camp.


Behavioral therapy is behavioral therapy.  



Don't water it down  And don't degrade one of the few traditions we can be proud of.  Really.



No, it wasn’t anything like that.  I said summer camp/boarding school because she spent the summer months or almost fall in the mountains of Massachusetts before she went to boarding school.  It wasn’t just the summer, she was there for over a year.  They transferred her to South America for a month or so to learn Spanish for a second language and such.  I only mentioned it because it was a place that didn’t abuse kids, and they could talk to each other and she came home doing really well and attended a good school later on.

I understand summer camps and they are different, we probably had more fun and didn’t have to study like she did and the counselors were much stricter.
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« Reply #128 on: September 13, 2007, 09:51:51 PM »
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yeah there are some good summer camps for the "not so well behaved". i hate institutions, i went to H.L.A and R.C.I, and i have nothing but bad things to say about them. but after h.l.a i went to Wolfeboro campschool in NH...and it was pretty fun. sucked in some ways - the headmaster had a drug sniffing dog, so it was impossible to get standard street drugs like weed on campus. the classes were tough, you had hours of supervised study hall every day, and alot of responsibilities around campus, but, there was plenty of other fun to go around. kids got in cigs, pills galore, among other deviant fun. and they actually treated us well....so well like 50% of the students come back year after year, and some become counselors when they go to college.

but...still issues with these camps.....the medical treatment sucks sucks sucks. i got sick there, got walking pnemonia, but they diagnosed it as a cold. by the time i got back i had fluid all up in my lungs and had to be hospitalized for 3 weeks. a few other kids got deathly sick too - 3 got whopping cough, and 2 got sallomonella. a few kids had psychotic fits there too...and they had no idea what was going on. some girl was slipped LSD at a theme park, and she got arrested for flippin out and sent to the psych ward. she was only 12, so they didnt belive the lsd story, and her urine came back negative (duh, lsd doesnt show), so they thought she was faking it, and reprimanded her harshly, while she was still tripping. another kid was going through vicodin detox at one point, and it was making him go crazy, hallucinate. they also didnt belive him so the let him suffer with no help, had to go to class everyday like everyone else.




OK.  I have a lot to say about this, but holy shit.  Lemme digest.  Honey, sit back and read what you just wrote.  Darlin'.  That's not healthy.  That's not therapeutic.  That's abuse!  

Goddamnit!!  Is it just me?   This is exaclty what I'm talkin about.  This poor kid has been so conditioned that he believes this is acceptable on any level!!!  Does this not bother anyone in Sheopleville?

 :o  :o  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:
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« Reply #129 on: September 13, 2007, 10:06:35 PM »
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yeah there are some good summer camps for the "not so well behaved". i hate institutions, i went to H.L.A and R.C.I, and i have nothing but bad things to say about them. but after h.l.a i went to Wolfeboro campschool in NH...and it was pretty fun. sucked in some ways - the headmaster had a drug sniffing dog, so it was impossible to get standard street drugs like weed on campus. the classes were tough, you had hours of supervised study hall every day, and alot of responsibilities around campus, but, there was plenty of other fun to go around. kids got in cigs, pills galore, among other deviant fun. and they actually treated us well....so well like 50% of the students come back year after year, and some become counselors when they go to college.

but...still issues with these camps.....the medical treatment sucks sucks sucks. i got sick there, got walking pnemonia, but they diagnosed it as a cold. by the time i got back i had fluid all up in my lungs and had to be hospitalized for 3 weeks. a few other kids got deathly sick too - 3 got whopping cough, and 2 got sallomonella. a few kids had psychotic fits there too...and they had no idea what was going on. some girl was slipped LSD at a theme park, and she got arrested for flippin out and sent to the psych ward. she was only 12, so they didnt belive the lsd story, and her urine came back negative (duh, lsd doesnt show), so they thought she was faking it, and reprimanded her harshly, while she was still tripping. another kid was going through vicodin detox at one point, and it was making him go crazy, hallucinate. they also didnt belive him so the let him suffer with no help, had to go to class everyday like everyone else.


Yes , it sounds like the same place my cousin went to except it was in a different state.  She had to study herself for 3 days as punishment for kissing a boy she met.  They were hiking together and got lost for a few hours.  If there was only one guy in the entire Black forest my cousin would find him and kiss him.  She was so pretty she could get any guy, but she liked to kiss them all, all the time.  i think that was why she went to america.  She didnt do drugs so i dont know if that was happening.  I am sorry you didnt seem to enjoy yourself.
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« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2007, 10:16:52 PM »
Ladies and gentlefucks, I think you might all be victims of a very skilled troll...

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They transferred her to South America for a month or so to learn Spanish for a second language and such.


What was the name of the place you sent her to?

What was the name of the South American facility?

If it was so great, why don't you advertise it?
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« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2007, 10:29:47 PM »
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Ladies and gentlefucks, I think you might all be victims of a very skilled troll...

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They transferred her to South America for a month or so to learn Spanish for a second language and such.

What was the name of the place you sent her to?

What was the name of the South American facility?

If it was so great, why don't you advertise it?


Hey, screw you!!  I was nice enough to respond to you about your time in Wolfeboro.  I dont know the name of the school, but it was in Massachusetts and i remember it was near a river because her mother used to talk about it.  she went to Costa Rica to learn spanish.  I am not here for bloody adversements and I dont appreciate being called trolled.
If it is important I can get the name from my mother.
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« Reply #132 on: September 13, 2007, 10:33:48 PM »
Calm down everybody.  this is probably a misunderstanding if y'all will go back and read what each other wrote and just talk.  Seriously.  Everyone (including myself) is so touchy and paranoid.

I don't think you guys are on opposite sides of the fence.  Maybe I'm wrong, I haven't read everything but don't just fly off the handle.

Peace.
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« Reply #133 on: September 13, 2007, 10:36:20 PM »
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Ladies and gentlefucks, I think you might all be victims of a very skilled troll...

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They transferred her to South America for a month or so to learn Spanish for a second language and such.

What was the name of the place you sent her to?

What was the name of the South American facility?

If it was so great, why don't you advertise it?

Hey, screw you!!  I was nice enough to respond to you about your time in Wolfeboro.  I dont know the name of the school, but it was in Massachusetts and i remember it was near a river because her mother used to talk about it.  she went to Costa Rica to learn spanish.  I am not here for bloody adversements and I dont appreciate being called trolled.
If it is important I can get the name from my mother.


Costa Rica...  Might be Dundee (WWASP)
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« Reply #134 on: September 13, 2007, 10:42:42 PM »
TheWho is a known child molestor.
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