Winning The Culture War

[TheWho]

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[Froderik]

I have zero faith in the ability of legislature in the area of passing effective regulations against TBS programmes. I've seen their ability to change to meet the new circumstances first hand. Congress will put on a big song and dance whilst programmes snigger and make a few superficial changes.
 

My thoughts on this calls for a long term war against the very roots of the problems. Or at least the part of the problem I believe that can be addressed in the area of the incredible ignorance that exists in our population to this very day. This is despite the fact that numerous websites, forums, books, and now movies exist.

Time and persistence will help reduce this ignorance in our society. Thoughts ideas and suggestions are being called for to address this matter. I've already started on a writing project of my own, put on hold due to my current vacation, but it will be finished.

IDEas biatches..

and not just Oh lets let Maia deal with it.

come on people.. takes an entire damn army not just one soldier.

///bump\

[Anonymous]

BuzzKill whines and a posts gets deleted?

[Anne Bonney]

BuzzKill whines and a posts gets deleted?

Did something get deleted?

[3xsaSeedling]

BuzzKill whines and a posts gets deleted?

I asked for the post to be deleted.

Fact is it's still there, too.

[Anonymous]

BuzzKill whines and a posts gets deleted?

Did something get deleted?

The post before Ursus was deleted.

[TheWho]

TSW Wrote:

I have zero faith in the ability of legislature in the area of passing effective regulations against TBS programmes. I've seen their ability to change to meet the new circumstances first hand. Congress will put on a big song and dance whilst programmes snigger and make a few superficial changes.

I wouldn’t put my faith in congress getting anything done in this area.  If the masses feel there is a need for a particular service and corporations are providing this service for a nice profit, why would they chop the head off?  Its better for their careers to focus on something popular like Aides or the war…these people are politicians not philanthropists.

My thoughts on this calls for a long term war against the very roots of the problems. Or at least the part of the problem I believe that can be addressed in the area of the incredible ignorance that exists in our population to this very day. This is despite the fact that numerous websites, forums, books, and now movies exist.

I agree with this approach, as with any problem it cannot be solved unless the “root causeâ€

[Anonymous]

Fuck off and die you convicted criminal. Your record means you cant be taken seriously as a genuine stakeholder.

[Anonymous]

Want to know what the most interesting thing is about TheWho's posts?

This construct right here:

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This is one character, a character created by Microsoft Word. You can't get something like this 'in nature' (just typing in the phpBB window). This went through a word processor before it got to us.

Why would that be, I wonder? Why would these posts need to be run through a word processor first?

This is simple: TheWho is not one person. In all likelihood there is one PR guy doing all of TheWho's "quick" posts, who has other people who might want to say something to Fornits, so they run it through a word processor and give it to the PR guy, who edits it as he thinks is needed and puts it up. He also manages the various pro-Aspen anonymous trolls who show up every now and then.

It's not valid information, nor should it be taken at all seriously by Fornits. The root cause of programs is programmies. Some things (e.g. slavery) CAN be mostly erased by making them illegal. And erasing programs, and *keeping* them erased (watch for when they pop up under another name), most of all, creates good old-fashioned FEAR, a useful tool in our arsenal.

It should also be noted that the PR guy playing TheWho has a list of topics he WON'T reply to, because he doesn't want to bump them. I intend to keep these topics active and on-topic.

[TheWho]

TSW Wrote:

I have zero faith in the ability of legislature in the area of passing effective regulations against TBS programmes. I've seen their ability to change to meet the new circumstances first hand. Congress will put on a big song and dance whilst programmes snigger and make a few superficial changes.

I wouldn’t put my faith in congress getting anything done in this area.  If the masses feel there is a need for a particular service and corporations are providing this service for a nice profit, why would they chop the head off?  Its better for their careers to focus on something popular like Aides or the war…these people are politicians not philanthropists.

My thoughts on this calls for a long term war against the very roots of the problems. Or at least the part of the problem I believe that can be addressed in the area of the incredible ignorance that exists in our population to this very day. This is despite the fact that numerous websites, forums, books, and now movies exist.

I agree with this approach, as with any problem it cannot be solved unless the “root causeâ€

[TheWho]

Guest wrote:

I would add that we need to show examples of kids who have been abused by the industry as well, ignoring that the industry exists would not work either. I see what you are talking about and it might be right.

We would first want to quantify that the industry is responsible for the abuse, not isolated cases, bad hires, one or two schools etc.  If the abuse is continuous through out the industry and is systemic then these could be used as examples otherwise the parents would see right through to a possible witch hunt and the effort would lose credibility in its initial phase.  

I would be careful of using this approach, you could lose many people/followers.

To date I haven’t been convinced that the entire industry is abusive, just portions of it.

[Anonymous]

TSW Wrote:

I have zero faith in the ability of legislature in the area of passing effective regulations against TBS programmes. I've seen their ability to change to meet the new circumstances first hand. Congress will put on a big song and dance whilst programmes snigger and make a few superficial changes.

I wouldn’t put my faith in congress getting anything done in this area.  If the masses feel there is a need for a particular service and corporations are providing this service for a nice profit, why would they chop the head off?  Its better for their careers to focus on something popular like Aides or the war…these people are politicians not philanthropists.

My thoughts on this calls for a long term war against the very roots of the problems. Or at least the part of the problem I believe that can be addressed in the area of the incredible ignorance that exists in our population to this very day. This is despite the fact that numerous websites, forums, books, and now movies exist.

I agree with this approach, as with any problem it cannot be solved unless the “root causeâ€

[TheWho]

I would add that we need to show examples of kids who have been abused by the industry as well, ignoring that the industry exists would not work either. I see what you are talking about and it might be right.

Actually, now that I think about it,  I think we are jumping ahead a little.  Once "Root cause" is determined, then would be the time to identify actions or solutions.

[Deprogrammed]

TSW Wrote:

I have zero faith in the ability of legislature in the area of passing effective regulations against TBS programmes. I've seen their ability to change to meet the new circumstances first hand. Congress will put on a big song and dance whilst programmes snigger and make a few superficial changes.

I wouldn’t put my faith in congress getting anything done in this area.  If the masses feel there is a need for a particular service and corporations are providing this service for a nice profit, why would they chop the head off?  Its better for their careers to focus on something popular like Aides or the war…these people are politicians not philanthropists.

My thoughts on this calls for a long term war against the very roots of the problems. Or at least the part of the problem I believe that can be addressed in the area of the incredible ignorance that exists in our population to this very day. This is despite the fact that numerous websites, forums, books, and now movies exist.

I agree with this approach, as with any problem it cannot be solved unless the “root causeâ€

[Anonymous]

thewho: again, look up the stanford prison experiment. abuse, or more specifically sadism, has been studied and quantified. yet programs and parents ignore the data, partially because it's inconvenient and partially beacuse the schools and media (semblers) dont want that kind of information popping up on CNN, time mag, or the first page of google.

the industry is based on a principle which indirectly encourages sadism.

unfortunately there will always be a demand for TBS's and schools for "troubled teens" because there will always be parents who cannot and will not take responsiblity for their own kids, along with the .001 percent of kids that actually need a program. so taking the whole thing down by force, just destroying it, wont do much good. neither will posting porn on fornits. what needs to be done is a complete re-evaluation of what we consider to be "treatment" and what helps, and what doesnt.

for example...i watched this show in disovery yesterday where they talked about how the old IQ system and tests are complete B.S because there is more than one type of Intelligence. this kind of research has the ability to completely debunk all the myths which professionals hold about education, teens, psychiatry, etc; along with the potential to completely revamp the national educational system, not just tbs's.


although i admit when it comes to places like the WWASPS schools, they should just get destroyed, flattened. there is no redemtion for them. they will eventually fade into history just as devil's island did.