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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #45 on: August 26, 2007, 08:26:19 PM »
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yes I am still reading


Have you taken your daughter back to school shopping yet?

Or I guess you would call it back to program shopping?

There are some good deals at Sears and Walmart this year.
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« Reply #46 on: August 26, 2007, 08:27:46 PM »
Yes I have for school shopping she found tons of stuff at TJ maxx
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Re: serious, serious regression....
« Reply #47 on: August 26, 2007, 08:28:36 PM »
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I was actually told when I went through treatment years ago that is it heredity. Where did you get this information and the statistics. It is good to know and I don't go to AA  anymore. It was valuable for along time and I still don't drink



I didn't get any of the info.  Agent Orange has collected, documented, footnoted and credited all the information he posts.  It'll take you weeks, but just read through.  They guy isn't some whacked out psycho.  Some of his hatemail are whacked out psychos, but you'll see.  He rebutts them with facts, backed up by legitimate sources.

That site and this one were the most helpful to me, factually speaking.

http://www.ex-cult.org/
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The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

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« Reply #48 on: August 26, 2007, 08:30:29 PM »
Can you smoke a joint, bump a rail or have a drink without feeling somehow nervous and uneasy? If not, youre still brainwashed. Pot helps with this.
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« Reply #49 on: August 26, 2007, 08:31:52 PM »
thanks for the link
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Re: serious, serious regression....
« Reply #50 on: August 26, 2007, 08:31:57 PM »
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I was actually told when I went through treatment years ago that is it heredity.


That's another lie.  No one has ever proven that.  It's spin.


http://alcalc.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co ... ll/36/2/99


There's lots more out there.
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AA is a cult http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-cult.html

The more boring a child is, the more the parents, when showing off the child, receive adulation for being good parents-- because they have a tame child-creature in their house.  ~~  Frank Zappa

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Re: serious, serious regression....
« Reply #51 on: August 26, 2007, 08:34:07 PM »
thanks where do you get this grea tstuff from...


about smoking or drinking I choose not to I have better things to do with my life
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Re: serious, serious regression....
« Reply #52 on: August 26, 2007, 08:40:58 PM »
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I was actually told when I went through treatment years ago that is it heredity. Where did you get this information and the statistics. It is good to know and I don't go to AA  anymore. It was valuable for along time and I still don't drink


There is such a thing as a genetic predisposition, which is still not the same thing as a sure thing.  Some people are more likely, biochemically, to develop, after prolonged and intense usage, an "addiction."

There is also such a thing as an "environmental predisposition," namely, if you hang around people who are constantly abusing it or grow up in an environment where your family is, it is more likely that you will too.  Still not a sure thing.

Teenage experimentation does not usually end up turning into an addiction, at least as far as alcohol is concerned (maybe with some of the more powerful drugs, e.g., heroin or morphine, that is thought to be possible...).  It usually takes a long time of going past reasonable limits before your body changes, physiologically, to where one might be considered "addicted."  Again, some people are more prone to this than others, genetically, but again, this is still not a sure thing.

Many of the earlier studies on alcoholism were seriously flawed by political bias and are now being debunked.
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Re: serious, serious regression....
« Reply #53 on: August 26, 2007, 08:45:32 PM »
thanks for the clarification
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« Reply #54 on: August 26, 2007, 08:55:53 PM »
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There is such a thing as a genetic predisposition, which is still not the same thing as a sure thing.  Some people are more likely, biochemically, to develop, after prolonged and intense usage, an "addiction."

There is also such a thing as an "environmental predisposition," namely, if you hang around people who are constantly abusing it or grow up in an environment where your family is, it is more likely that you will too.  Still not a sure thing.

Teenage experimentation does not usually end up turning into an addiction, at least as far as alcohol is concerned (maybe with some of the more powerful drugs, e.g., heroin or morphine, that is thought to be possible...).  It usually takes a long time of going past reasonable limits before your body changes, physiologically, to where one might be considered "addicted."  Again, some people are more prone to this than others, genetically, but again, this is still not a sure thing.

Many of the earlier studies on alcoholism were seriously flawed by political bias and are now being debunked.



Yep.  Even if someone early on isn't the most responsible with it (almost every teenager I've ever known), it's not the death sentence that AA would (literally) have you believe.
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« Reply #55 on: August 26, 2007, 08:59:23 PM »
Yeah the AA types push some weak shit..

I remember Rachel, or some other AARC(Straight inc, cult with AA overtones)  survivor, saying how they would call non drug/alcohol users dry drunks, wtf???
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« Reply #56 on: August 26, 2007, 08:59:29 PM »
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thanks for the link to redrock.
 Staying home would save me lots of $$$


NOT RedRock, ROCK POINT!  Red Rock is bad news, an RTC affiliated with WWASPS, if I'm not mistaken?

Rock Point is a tiny boarding school, ~40 students, class size approx. 4-12 students per teacher, depending on the subject matter.
http://www.rockpoint.org/
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« Reply #57 on: August 26, 2007, 09:00:21 PM »
Yeah be careful with RED, many programs have red in the name...
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #58 on: August 26, 2007, 09:00:55 PM »
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I meant rock point
NOT RedRock, ROCK POINT!  Red Rock is bad news, an RTC affiliated with WWASPS, if I'm not mistaken?

Rock Point is a tiny boarding school, ~40 students, class ratio approx. 4-12 students per teacher, depending on class.
http://www.rockpoint.org/[/quote]
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« Reply #59 on: August 26, 2007, 09:02:35 PM »
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thanks
quote="Guest"][
I meant rock point
NOT RedRock, ROCK POINT!  Red Rock is bad news, an RTC affiliated with WWASPS, if I'm not mistaken?

Rock Point is a tiny boarding school, ~40 students, class ratio approx. 4-12 students per teacher, depending on class.
http://www.rockpoint.org/[/quote][/quote]
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