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« Reply #105 on: August 02, 2007, 02:14:20 AM »
I hope you are not referring to me when you say anonymous program creeps. I can empathize with the feeling, unfortunately I'm posting anonymously not because I'm affiliated with any program (which I'm not) but because there is no need for me to post under a fake name and there is no need for me to post under my real name.  If I did post under my real name, it appears to me, I would be subjected to harassment that I would rather avoid.  My argument stands on its own merits.

As far as posting with a name such as "TheBoy," I don't see how that would help much either.

RE: the program creep accusation... please point out where in my argument I was not on solid footing and behaving/conversing in a rational way. Also please point to where I might be construed as a 'program creep.'
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« Reply #106 on: August 02, 2007, 02:19:29 AM »
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I hope you are not referring to me when you say anonymous program creeps. I can empathize with the feeling, unfortunately I'm posting anonymously not because I'm affiliated with any program (which I'm not) but because there is no need for me to post under a fake name and there is no need for me to post under my real name.  If I did post under my real name, it appears to me, I would be subjected to harassment that I would rather avoid.  My argument stands on its own merits.

As far as posting with a name such as "TheBoy," I don't see how that would help much either.

RE: the program creep accusation... please point out where in my argument I was not on solid footing and behaving/conversing in a rational way. Also please point to where I might be construed as a 'program creep.'

Not really, seems you're getting harassed just as much as an anon. :rofl:

And truthfully, I don't really care if you post anon or not, as i agree with you on those points.

I don't know, call it a hunch.....
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« Reply #107 on: August 02, 2007, 02:20:06 AM »
ZenAgent:

Please show me where I was insulting you...

As far as the going in circles accusation. If I was going in circles, it was based on your responses. I responded to what you said, that's all.  

You are free to think of me as you will, but (even if you don't believe me) I have been incarcerated in these programs and was working on the issue before CAFETY was even formed.  You are free to believe what you will, but you are incorrect in regards to me insulting you and to my knowledge of the situation.

And once again, I never said everyone on fornits posted trash. I said its fun to talk trash on fornits, not everybody on fornits talks trash. Please understand the difference.

Re: the swarmy comments.  If staying level headed and not insulting tit for tat is swarmy, I apologize.
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« Reply #108 on: August 02, 2007, 02:21:53 AM »
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I hope you are not referring to me when you say anonymous program creeps. I can empathize with the feeling, unfortunately I'm posting anonymously not because I'm affiliated with any program (which I'm not) but because there is no need for me to post under a fake name and there is no need for me to post under my real name.  If I did post under my real name, it appears to me, I would be subjected to harassment that I would rather avoid.  My argument stands on its own merits.

As far as posting with a name such as "TheBoy," I don't see how that would help much either.

RE: the program creep accusation... please point out where in my argument I was not on solid footing and behaving/conversing in a rational way. Also please point to where I might be construed as a 'program creep.'
Not really, seems you're getting harassed just as much as an anon. :rofl:

And truthfully, I don't really care if you post anon or not, as i agree with you on those points.

I don't know, call it a hunch.....


Thanks -
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« Reply #109 on: August 02, 2007, 02:23:30 AM »
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I hope you are not referring to me when you say anonymous program creeps. I can empathize with the feeling, unfortunately I'm posting anonymously not because I'm affiliated with any program (which I'm not) but because there is no need for me to post under a fake name and there is no need for me to post under my real name.  If I did post under my real name, it appears to me, I would be subjected to harassment that I would rather avoid.  My argument stands on its own merits.

As far as posting with a name such as "TheBoy," I don't see how that would help much either.

RE: the program creep accusation... please point out where in my argument I was not on solid footing and behaving/conversing in a rational way. Also please point to where I might be construed as a 'program creep.'




Touchy, touchy.  My parent's didn't name me Zen Agent, but it keeps postings from being confused with the multitudes of brave anon "guests".
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« Reply #110 on: August 02, 2007, 02:34:07 AM »
I suppose I get pretty irritated with responses sometimes. One way of not taking it too personally is to post anonymously.  It helps me keep a level head and not get into the insults game.
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« Reply #111 on: August 02, 2007, 02:35:41 AM »
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ZenAgent:

Please show me where I was insulting you...

As far as the going in circles accusation. If I was going in circles, it was based on your responses. I responded to what you said, that's all.  

You are free to think of me as you will, but (even if you don't believe me) I have been incarcerated in these programs and was working on the issue before CAFETY was even formed.  You are free to believe what you will, but you are incorrect in regards to me insulting you and to my knowledge of the situation.

And once again, I never said everyone on fornits posted trash. I said its fun to talk trash on fornits, not everybody on fornits talks trash. Please understand the difference.

Re: the swarmy comments.  If staying level headed and not insulting tit for tat is swarmy, I apologize.

Is that all you're worried about?

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As far as not addressing a rather trivial linking issue in accordance with your time frame, I'm sorry that it hasn't been handled to your liking.


Yeah, I'm thin-skinned too, pork sword.

It's not "swarmy", it's smarmy, and you're pompous, obnoxious, and full of shit.  It's also not my time frame, and my liking of your decision is not important.  You're trying to tag this onto me personally, and I'm not the one who brought the issue up.  This is a group of people, not you and me.

Link to PURE, CAICA, WWASP, etc.  I really want you to, so CAFETY will finally have a recognizable position.
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« Reply #112 on: August 02, 2007, 02:43:10 AM »
It's not YOU, me or Zen Agent who might get referred to some program by the likes of Isabelle Zehnder either.  It's some child who may need real treatment, by a real therapist-- A child who should not be locked up in a program somewhere; just because someone paid Isabelle a damn referral fee!

This is the same Isabelle Zehnder/CAICA that NYRA supports!
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« Reply #113 on: August 02, 2007, 02:44:08 AM »
I thought you said I wasn't part of CAFETY?

If you are now denying that the issue is not with how much time it's taking for CAFETY to make a decision on this issue, I would refer you back to page 10 of this conversation.

I'm not trying to tag this on to you personally, I'm responding to what you say personally.


btw: swarmy is correct too... it's in the urban dictionary =)
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« Reply #114 on: August 02, 2007, 02:45:00 AM »
NYRA doesn't support CAICA... They link to her with a warning attached.
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« Reply #115 on: August 02, 2007, 02:51:03 AM »
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I thought you said I wasn't part of CAFETY?

If you are now denying that the issue is not with how much time it's taking for CAFETY to make a decision on this issue, I would refer you back to page 10 of this conversation.

I'm not trying to tag this on to you personally, I'm responding to what you say personally.


btw: swarmy is correct too... it's in the urban dictionary =)


Alright, my swarmy friend.  I don't even know who you are, you're anon, remember?  You're supporting CAFETY, I've given you that much.

Answer the question, directly:  Should CAFETY support NYRA if they link to CAICA, warning or not?  No dodging, no nebulous time frames concerning a decision.  If you were in a position to decide, what would you do, right now?
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« Reply #116 on: August 02, 2007, 02:51:03 AM »
A "warning?"  Then why link at all?  Afraid to tell Alex Boy "No?"
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« Reply #117 on: August 02, 2007, 02:59:27 AM »
Well, Zen Agent---guess you got your answer!
No more circle, circle, circle around for this GUEST.
NO DIRECT ANSWER to your question, huh?
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« Reply #118 on: August 02, 2007, 03:00:41 AM »
No, it's NYRA that has a warning.

Personally, I would keep the link to NYRA up. I would strongly suggest the link to CAICA be taken down, and hopefully that would happen. I do feel though, that NYRA's good outweighs its bad by a longshot. So I support NYRA even if I disagree with the link.
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« Reply #119 on: August 02, 2007, 03:06:57 AM »
Can you have an intelligent discussion about Whitmore Academy---it's history, the criminal case and it's outcome?  The Sue Scheff/PURE connection to Whitmore Academy?  Have you read the Whitmore Blogs written by Isabelle Zehnder and Sue Scheff?
Have you read Isabelle Zehnder's emails posted on Fornits, exposing that she refers children to programs and to Sue Scheff/Pure for placement in programs?

Have you read the WWASP vs PURE transcripts?

If you have this knowlege; and can engage in a discussion about the above:   Can you THEN explain why you would accept NYRA linking to CAICA?
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