Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care

[Bunnie]

They called the death an unfortunate accident and an unexpected loss

Here is the crap they pull, UNFORTUNATE ACCIDENT,
How about hiring enough staff, and hiring someone with some kind of degree, or common sense, who would be sure this child had gotten the help needed, How about BEING the kind of place you advertise you are!

Jeeze, when will this ever end or get better.
How can being sick and not being taken care of be an accident.
Liars!

[psy]

I was just a line staff, not one of the god-like therapists.

I had held him accountable for his behavior (making threats against staff and students) and dropped his level, so he attacked me.

And you were doing so well before. Future trolls: Check for consistency next time!

What's inconsistent?  At Benchmark even the lowest staff could drop your level at the snap of a finger.  But hey....  shit happens.  Personally, i'd love to have heard the kid's side of the story.  People snap if pushed far enough.  I'd like to know who was pushing, and how much.

I gotta admit.  If Puck is really an Aspen employee, he has some balls coming onto this forum.  Staff, unless on hands and knees, aren't usually accepted here kindly.  I hope Puck can take a beating.

[Anonymous]

Dropping a level means more time in a program. It means more abuse.

And you said you'd want to stop abuse?

Bashing your face in for making him spend more time in a program is instant karma, you cock mongler.

[Pitbull Mom]

….Of course the parents of the kids who are still there still don't know what really happened when they let a boy die there.

It wouldn’t be expected to notify the parents of the other children unless the problem could not be contained or brought under control within a short period of time.  It appears they are reviewing their procedures and working with the appropriate state agencies at this time.  So there seems to be sufficient visability.

There is no such thing as "sufficient visability" in Utah.  The licensing suspension would not even have been newsworthy had it not been blatantly pointed out to the media by yours truly.

And shouldn't the parents of the other kids be alerted at least that the license of the facility where they have entrusted the safety and medical care of their children is under review for negligence?

[psy]

Dropping a level means more time in a program. It means more abuse.

And you said you'd want to stop abuse?

Bashing your face in for making him spend more time in a program is instant karma, you cock mongler.

I think you misunderstand, I totally agree.  That's why I said i'd like to hear the kid's side of the story.

[TheWho]

There is no such thing as "sufficient visability" in Utah. The licensing suspension would not even have been newsworthy had it not been blatantly pointed out to the media by yours truly.

And shouldn't the parents of the other kids be alerted at least that the license of the facility where they have entrusted the safety and medical care of their children is under review for negligence?

I think what is meant is there are many people involved at this point and the on-call nurse is going to be called for every kid who sneezes until they figure out what went wrong.  So as far as the probability of a repeat of this occurring during this period of change, it is virtually nil.  They are trying to figure out if and where the procedure failed and how they can prevent this from happening in the future.  

Sometimes they hire an independent agency to review the procedures (as a second pair of eyes) to see what they find and get recommendations from them.

As far as notifying the parents, this wouldn’t be warranted at this point because their kids are probably safer now then when they were a few weeks ago.  If you own a restaurant and someone gets food poisoning you don’t hang a sign in your window alerting people to what occurred.  You quickly resolve the issue, put corrections in place so that it doesn’t happen again.
If it were an epidemic of some sort then I would agree that the customers (or parents in this case) should be notified and alerted to the situation.

[puck]

Dropping a level means more time in a program. It means more abuse.

And you said you'd want to stop abuse?

Bashing your face in for making him spend more time in a program is instant karma, you cock mongler.

Yeah - how long he spent in the program was really up to me. I made him threaten others and attack me, because there's no such thing as personal liablitiy, right? Now I'm gonna  be the one to make him spend time in prison for his actions.   Hell - why don't you go ahead and blame me for him attacking someone in California, the mortgage crisis, and global warming.  Quick, call Al Gore!   You can safely make judegments about me confident in your own opinion that I must be the scum of the earth to work at an RTC.  I have no problems with my conduct as a staff.  I never abused students, I tried to be fair and patient at all times.  I argued with admin and therapists when I felt rules or decisions were unfair or detrimental, but you wouldn't care about stuff like that.  You see me as just another 'robo-puck' quick to bring down unjustice and abuse upon a poor misfortunate kid.

When I was attacked, the first hit broke the orbit of my eye.  As he kept hitting my first thought was to swing around and plant my elbow into the side of his head and then just keep hitting.  As an EMT I knew what the damage was to my face and the kind of surgery I would need to repair it.  Then the second thought in my head was, "Control, don't hurt."  As he kept hitting I turned away and reached back with both my arms to try and pin his arms down until another staff could respond.  He landed some more blows to the back of my head and upper back until I was able to get hold of his arms.  I proud of the fact that I didn't hit or injure him in any way.  So go ahead and make all the judgements you want against me - applaud the kid for acting out violently and curse the adult system he will now be apart of as unfair and harsh (because it typically is).  Sit proudly in your own ignorance and petty insults, but if you ever want to know the truth about me, then just ask.

[Deborah]

Hang in there kids. They're working out the kinks.  :rofl:
Thirty years and the geniuses haven't come up with a solution for "I thought s/he was faking" or for conducting 'proper' restraints. And, still not possible to legislate against ignorance. But they're working on it.

Eric S. Schibley   17
Bernard Reefer   
Robert Zimmerman   
Charles Lucas   
James Lamb   
Robert D. Erwin   15
Lyle Foodroy   
Tammy Edmiston   
Leon Anger   
Mario Cano   16
Gregory Owen Jones    13
Brandon Hadden   18
Leroy Prinkley   14
Carey Dunn   15
Roxanna Gray   17
Wauketta Wallace   12
Danny Lewis   16
Unnamed girl   15
Michelle Sutton   15
Kristen Chase   16
Diane Harris   17
John Vincent Garrison   18
Shawn Diaz    15
Ryan McCandless    13
David Sellers    15
David Myers (staff)   
Randall Porter (staff)   
Vidar Anderson (rescuer)   
Clayton Cutter (rescuer)   
Anthony Green   15
Paul Choy                   16
San Francisco Youth   
Christie Scheck   13
Charlotte Holliman   14
Dawn Perry   16
Name Unknown   19
Jason Tallman   12
Jamie Young   13
Casey Collier   17
Aaron Bacon   16
Shinaul McGraw   12
Lorenzo Johnson   17
Thomas Maples   17
John Avila   
Jamar Griffith   15
Carlos Ruiz   13
Earl Smith                    9
Dawnne Takeuchi   18
Jeffrey Bogrett   9
Eric Roberts    16
John McCloskey   18
Will Futrelle   15
Bobby Sue Thomas   17
Bobby Jo Randolph   17
Robert Rollins   12
Sakena Dorsey   19
Christopher Landre   16
Melissa Neyman   19
Rochelle Clayborne   16
Demetrius Jeffries   17
Jimmy Kanda   6
Chris Campbell   13
Charles Collins Jr   15
Edith Campos   15
Matthew Maloney    13
Dustin Phelps   14
Nicholas Contreras   16
Tristan Sovern   16
Kelly Young   17
Matt Toppi                   17
Chris Brown   16
Andrew McClain   11
Mark Soares   16
Chad A. Franza   16
Laura Hanson   17
Brandon Hoffman   17
Mark Draheim   14
Gina Score                   14
Joshua Sharpe   17
Wallace Dandridge   16
Kristal Ceniceros   16
Timothy Thomas   9
Jerry McLaurin   14
Eddie Lee                   15
Cecil Reed                   16
Candace Newmaker   10
Michael Wiltsie   12
Corey Wm. Murphy   17
Randy Steele   9
Sabrina E. Day   15
Michael Ibarra   12
Adora Grae Stout   17
Willy Wright   14
Joseph D. Bolt   17
Dionte Pickens   14
Will Henry                   16
Bryan Alexander   18
Carlton Thomas   17
Ryan Lewis   14
Stephanie Duffield   16
Tanner Wilson   11
Anthony Haynes   14
Valerie Ann Heron   17
Travis Ballard   15
Unnamed girl   
Katherine Lank   16
Victoria Petersilka   
Latasha Bush   15
Erica Harvey   15
Donderey Rogers   14
Ian August   14
Jeremy Gaulin   15
Maria Mendoza   14
Charles Moody   17
Teen Girl              15
Corey Baines   16
Orlena Parker   15
Daniel Matthews   17
Omar Paisley   17
Danita Ritchie   15
Willie Durden, III   17
Jamal Odum   9
unnamed                   16
Karlye Anne Newman   16
Shirley Arciszewski   12
Matthew Meyer   
Kasey Warner   13
Roberto Reyes   15
Brendon Oganawski? Unconfirmed   
Walter Brown   18
LaKeisha Brown   17
Travis Parker   13
Randi Koetz    
Alex Harris                   12
Linda Harris   14
Shirley Arciszewski   12
Kasey Warner   13
Blaire Webbe   21
Boy                   17
Mikie Garcia   12
James White   17
Martin Lee Anderson    14
Giavinni "Joey" Alteriz   16
James White   17
Angellika Arndt    7
Lenny Ortega   12
Kerry Layne Brown    24
Carter Lynn    18
Dillon Peak   14
Elisa Santry   16
Joe Burns   
Alex Cullinane   13
Natalynndria Slim   16
Rocco Magliozzi   12
Darryl Thompson   15
Isaiah Simmons   17
Jonathan Carey   13
Caleb Jensen   17
Denis Manuel Maltez   12
Omega Leach   17
Brendon James Blum   14

[Deborah]

I argued with admin and therapists when I felt rules or decisions were unfair or detrimental, but you wouldn't care about stuff like that.  You see me as just another 'robo-puck' quick to bring down unjustice and abuse upon a poor misfortunate kid.

Actually, some would be interested, more interested in that than your defense for working at an RTC. That would be the most useful thing you could provide. Detail what you saw that was unfair or detrimental. People need to know what goes on behind closed doors.

[TheWho]

As a parent, I found the above list a little difficult to sort out, so I organized the data to include just those children who attended Wilderness and TBS, for those parents who are interested in looking at those distinct areas.

I think you will see that after you eliminate the state run hospitals and boot camps the numbers look pretty good.

NCES still has not released their data for 2004-2005 year..... as soon as it becomes availble I will add the figures in.


You can click on the program type to get more detail if needed.[/b]
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001   -------There were 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides   , 2,959 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 1 suicides, ----- 1 Total

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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002   -------There were 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides   , 2,868 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003   -------There were 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides   , 2,846 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004   -------There were 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides   , 2,722 Total  

TBS ---------------------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

Wilderness -----------There were 0 Homicides, 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total
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Total Industry -------There were 0 Homicides , 0 suicides, ----- 0 Total

TBS - Therapeutic Boarding Schools
 NCES National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles (caica.org, isaccorp.org), posts and PM?s....  All deaths are verified thru local news articles.
X -- Incomplete or unavailable

[Anonymous]

:roll:

Not this again.

Seventeen kids actually died as a direct result of neglect and abuse in hellholes during the timeframe Who is trying to cite.

Puck, you're a worthless piece of shit. I'm glad for his sake that he went to jail, because jail is a much better place than dealing with the likes of you. At least in the real prison system you can't arbitrarily decide to extend a kid's sentence and there's no pretense at therapy.

Where was the other kid in all this? Why didn't he come from behind and beat your fucking head in more?

[Anonymous]

Puck is in jail, it's his job.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, well, at least he can't get away with the same shit he did in Youth Care.

(Not even in Utah, I don't think.)

Now at least the parents know they can't send their kid away and magically get a new, 'fixed' kid back. Sur-PRIIIIISE, Mom and Dad! You thought you were going to inflict Aspen on him, and that would somehow make everything better, but instead it made him even more violent even faster! Wow! Betcha fucktards didn't see that coming!

[Deborah]

:roll:
Not this again.
Seventeen kids actually died as a direct result of neglect and abuse in hellholes during the timeframe Who is trying to cite.

30 (thirty) between July 00 and June 04

[EricasMom]

How did you "sort out" the program fatalities, Who?

Our daughter, Erica Harvey, died of heat stroke/dehydration May 27, 2002 at Catherine Freer Wilderness Therapy in Nevada, a private-pay wilderness program.  Yet, though her name was on the list you "sorted", her death does not appear as a (negligent) homicide.

I'm sure Erica's not the only convenient omission on your list, Who.