Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care

[Nihilanthic]

HE WORKED FOR A PROGRAM AND DID NOTHING TO STOP IT BUT LEAVE IT "IN DISGUST".

Sorry but you kind of got what's coming to ya, buddy. Natural consequences an' all. I mean, if you were in the kid's shoes, wtf would you have done?

Exactly.

Whats the statute of limitations in Utah? Why not... uh, do something meaningful? Name more names?

[TheWho]

Nihilantic, Why are you yelling at him?  Why do you continue to attack peoples religion and sexual preference?  Do you consider yourself that perfect? What have you done?  You are just sitting on the couch doing nothing, at least he is involved and airing his story.  It is because of people like you that no one likes to come here and open up, let people speak.
He might have talked about more that went on or named names, but not any more, I am sure.

Whats your problem?

[Deborah]

I worked at Youth Care for 2.5 years as a line staff and also as a 'key' staff.  I'm easily identifiable - I was assaulted by a student and required facial reconstruction surgery - and any time I post my old 'friends' who still work there are told to have no contact with me, so I know I'm pushing some serious buttons.

The night I was attacked there were not enough staff on shift, a common occurence at this program.  There were two staff assigned to a house with 14 students - I was only there to finish up paperwork from the day shift.  The student that attacked me was able to walk away from his group, sneak up behind me, and when I hung up the phone he started swinging.  Another student was also able to walk away from his group to come watch.

You want first hand knowledge?  I would come in to work in the mornings and watch the graveyard staff unplug their xbox/ps2/dvd players/laptops, hurry and check all the boxes on the log sheets signifying that they checked the students every 15 mins for signs of life (breathing, movement, etc...) and leave.  Sometimes the graves were still asleep when I got there (they weren't supposed to sleep).  This student was sleeping out of his room which, according to our training, he should have been checked on every 15 mins.  If they were checking, how did the student's body proceed through rigor and livor mortis before the staff even noticed he was deceased?

I finally quit in disgust when the student who watched me get assaulted was re-admitted to the programm despite my concerns for my own safety or the safety of others (he had a history of sexually acting out/flashing female students).

Programs in Utah, and I worked in a few until I gave up and moved to adult corrections, rely on a cheap student labor market and the mystique that 'Utah' is a great, safe place.  Youth Care is like most other programs - profit driven, not care driven.

I worked with some great staff, I tried to be a good staff.  Too bad the administrators can't be more like some of the staff they're fortunate enough to have on the payroll.

I understand the chances of anything coming of it are slim, but did it ever cross your mind to file complaints with DHS?
Can you give a staff's perspective on why more reports aren't filed? Would it be career death?
I'm sure you'd be fired from that position, but would it effect future jobs in the industry?
Are staff "in the program" as well?
How many complaints would it take to get the ax?

Someone posted in the Aspen forum that they applied for a teaching position and asked for references. They weren't hired because asking for references demonstrated a lack of "trust".
Har!
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 460#280460

Apparently they want sheeple who will blindly follow their dictates.

[Nihilanthic]

Nihilantic, Why are you yelling at him?  Why do you continue to attack peoples religion and sexual preference?  Do you consider yourself that perfect? What have you done?  You are just sitting on the couch doing nothing, at least he is involved and airing his story.  It is because of people like you that no one likes to come here and open up, let people speak.
He might have talked about more that went on or named names, but not any more, I am sure.

Whats your problem?

I've deprogrammed parents to get more kids out than you can probably count without someone helping you, and I've also helped or individually made quite a few web pages that have resulted in a lot of attention being made, some snowballing more than others.

And lots of shit I can't tell you  
But yeah, fine, have it your way:



Does this particular option of an image consisting of a large-grinning cartoon character striking a pose with accompanied subtitle text extolling the virtues of why said homosexual ruminating upon whether he should or should not undertake the action theretofore discussed suit your particular sense of taste and sensibilities, or should you instead perform fellatio upon me?

[puck]

I was assaulted by a student and required facial reconstruction surgery

PWNED!

(Hey kid, you didn't hit him hard enough! Finish the job next time!)

Nice - I'm acutally agreeing that there are problems at places like this, using my personal experiences as an example and you agree with the kid that attacked me?  Bring it on bitch.  I have no regret or shame about how I conducted myself as a staff, only that I couldn't do more for the students while I was there.  I did lodge complaints, both with my supervisors (you can guess how far those went) and with the state AG's office.  I also tried contacting the media but no one there was interested in yet another screwed-up program.  

I worked my ass off defending the rights of the students and trying to help them and their families and often was in trouble with the admin for it.  Past students and families still keep in contact with me so I guess I was doing something right.  

And for your info - the kid hit me right after I hung up the phone to make sure his parents could still come in for a Thanksgiving visit the next day.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

And for your info - the kid hit me right after I hung up the phone to make sure his parents could still come in for a Thanksgiving visit the next day.

:lol: Awesome timing! Either he either did it in direct spite of this, or he did it because he never wanted to see those fuckheads again. (And really, why would he?)

And don't give us the "I did all I could" bit. We've heard it before. If you really wanted to help you would have said on that particular phone call that the place is ill-run and the parents would have done well to get him the hell out and, if he actually did have problems beyond a natural hate of his tormentors, to get him some actual help instead. I think that might have been a face-saving measure. :lol:

You really want to do more? Get the parents to start a nice fat lawsuit, similar to the one hammering WWASPS. If you have any contact with former employees get them to bring hidden tape recorders, audio if not video, and Youtube that shit. Contact the General Accountability Office of the federal government, which is doing a major investigation, and send a signed statement of what you saw. Et cetera. You work in real corrections, even if it's in that fucked up state, so you now have some perspective. But if you expect the AG of Utah to do anything, I have some bad fucking news for you.

Although maybe we should just leave the place open so a few more staffers can get their faces imploded. :rofl:

[exhausted]

It would be a shame to chase away ex staffers as much as it is a shame to chase away parents who don't know where to turn anymore

Shame on anyone who attcks someone who is trying to make whatever small difference they can

Niles don't be a jerk, I know you've got more sense than this, you know as well as anyone here that staff, parents and kids are all sucked in and programmed themselves by the industry, stop giving Puck a hard time, it takes serious guts to come on this forum and say you were staff ... some of these kidds would kill you jjust because they can, whether you're staff, parent or an innocent bystander in the street, whether they attended a program or not

You know I love you dude, but please, let's hear his story and learn more from someone who's been on that side of the fence.

[Anonymous]

Yep. Tsw is ex-staff who even admitted to abusing kids, and everyone seems to embrace him. Let this staff member talk.

[Anonymous]

Shame on anyone who attcks someone who is trying to make whatever small difference they can

 ... some of these kidds would kill you jjust because they can, whether you're staff, parent or an innocent bystander in the street, whether they attended a program or not

You are a fucking idiot, bitch.

[exhausted]

Shame on anyone who attcks someone who is trying to make whatever small difference they can

 ... some of these kidds would kill you jjust because they can, whether you're staff, parent or an innocent bystander in the street, whether they attended a program or not

You are a fucking idiot, bitch.

Far from it, but if it makes you happy to think it....ok  :wink:

[Anonymous]

I worked at Youth Care for 2.5 years as a line staff and also as a 'key' staff.  I'm easily identifiable - I was assaulted by a student and required facial reconstruction surgery - and any time I post my old 'friends' who still work there are told to have no contact with me, so I know I'm pushing some serious buttons.

The night I was attacked there were not enough staff on shift, a common occurence at this program.  There were two staff assigned to a house with 14 students - I was only there to finish up paperwork from the day shift.  The student that attacked me was able to walk away from his group, sneak up behind me, and when I hung up the phone he started swinging.  Another student was also able to walk away from his group to come watch.

You want first hand knowledge?  I would come in to work in the mornings and watch the graveyard staff unplug their xbox/ps2/dvd players/laptops, hurry and check all the boxes on the log sheets signifying that they checked the students every 15 mins for signs of life (breathing, movement, etc...) and leave.  Sometimes the graves were still asleep when I got there (they weren't supposed to sleep).  This student was sleeping out of his room which, according to our training, he should have been checked on every 15 mins.  If they were checking, how did the student's body proceed through rigor and livor mortis before the staff even noticed he was deceased?

I finally quit in disgust when the student who watched me get assaulted was re-admitted to the programm despite my concerns for my own safety or the safety of others (he had a history of sexually acting out/flashing female students).

Programs in Utah, and I worked in a few until I gave up and moved to adult corrections, rely on a cheap student labor market and the mystique that 'Utah' is a great, safe place.  Youth Care is like most other programs - profit driven, not care driven.

I worked with some great staff, I tried to be a good staff.  Too bad the administrators can't be more like some of the staff they're fortunate enough to have on the payroll.

 :rofl:  :rofl:

You ugly motherfucker, you got exactly what you deserved.

 :rofl:  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

Nice - I'm acutally agreeing that there are problems at places like this, using my personal experiences as an example and you agree with the kid that attacked me?  

The kid should have got more help and fucked you up bad.

And for your info - the kid hit me right after I hung up the phone to make sure his parents could still come in for a Thanksgiving visit the next day.

 :rofl:

Did you expect a thank you, bitch?

[Anonymous]

I gave up and moved to adult corrections

Once a loser, always a loser.

[Anonymous]

I gave up and moved to adult corrections

Once a loser, always a loser.

At least he moved up to people who can hit back, not only that, but are probably bigger, stronger, scarier (Than him) AND form gangs and shit.