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Offline GOATFLAVOR

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« Reply #30 on: June 06, 2007, 08:16:26 AM »
http://listencloser.ytmnd.com/  :)


I'm not defending any program
I'm just aware of what it is like to work with kids
and it is not easy no matter how good your intentions
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« Reply #31 on: June 06, 2007, 12:41:12 PM »
What wasn't easy?
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« Reply #32 on: June 06, 2007, 03:03:55 PM »
Quote from: ""GOATFLAVOR""
http://listencloser.ytmnd.com/  :)


I'm not defending any program
I'm just aware of what it is like to work with kids
and it is not easy no matter how good your intentions


Obviously it's not easy to work with kids, that's why some parents give up and send their offspring to a supposedly "therapeutic" shithole. Their hope is these "pros" will fix and make better, and as you've stated, they're not going to do any better than the parents.

At least you've got an educational background that gave you the tools to work with troubled kids.  Doesn't make it any easier, does it?  It seems people going into the troubled adolescent business with great intentions are the first to bail out of it in disgust and horror.

Oh yeah...post 666.... :evil:
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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A PV counselor\'s description of his job:

\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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« Reply #33 on: June 06, 2007, 03:18:04 PM »
That post is of the Devil  :cry2:
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #34 on: June 06, 2007, 06:32:36 PM »
Don't put words in my mouth
there are people doing great things
in tough situations
should those people do nothing for fear of failure?
or because other people have failed?

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What is easy about it?
If the child did not have an issue there would be no reason to do anything.   Even in the most supported environment some of these kids are hard to work with.  The major issue is finding support from the group you're working with and the parents.  You're getting attacked from three different sides.  I'm not dodging accountability.  There should be more of it.  I'm all for it.

I think the point is that any blanket statements are not going to be true about child care.  There are too many variables and combinations.  There are individual children with individual needs.  There are workers with good intent and bad intent.  There are workers with good skills and those without. There are parents that try and those that don't.  It is all out there.
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« Reply #35 on: June 06, 2007, 10:02:53 PM »
can anyone explain the "lifeboat" thing? I want to understand what the "group" was trying to do back then...and if you are just tired of refering back to the druggie past then what I experienced today might be interesting
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