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Offline GOATFLAVOR

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« on: June 01, 2007, 12:22:01 PM »
it's fine to say burn them all down,
but who is meeting the need?
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« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2007, 01:39:01 PM »
If you check the HLA board you'll find they're doing a good job of burning themselves down. :lol:
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Im not worried about them
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2007, 03:59:43 PM »
I am worried about anybody that tries to do anything
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« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2007, 04:38:27 PM »
Someone at Hyde School tried burning that place down in 1975 but they didn't succeed...
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« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2007, 08:03:34 PM »
Well these programs are not meeting the need. Ask the vets about what "help" they got from their program in regards to real issues they had. Most of their needs are neglected in favor of just beating them with the "programs fix" no matter the issue. In some cases the kids don't even have an issue.

However some people do have problems and to meet their needs will be a challenge. For a start we could get rid of the punitive think that seems so pervasive in this industry. Creating more passive controls for those who are dangers to themselves would help in regards to the conflict that results when you try to control someone. By passive I mean building environments around the child. Would you setup a daycare in a nuclear energy plant? No, so why have hard objects(floors, walls) in a facility with kids that bang their heads? And why remove a kid from the home, especially kids with developmental disabilities? We can take care of most of these kids at home if we are willing to sacrifice time and convenience.

The institutions of last resort have become the institutions  of convenience when we are desperate, at our wits end, or when we just feel like being fucking cruel. Now we have a system of care that often places the ego of the facilities directors, or political backers,  over the interest of the kids, and lets not forget about the powerful influence of money.  

It sounds like me and you listen to different choirs. You listen to the lofty promise of the program while I listen to the broken reality of their collateral damage.
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2007, 12:28:05 AM »
I thought the OP's need was the need to incinerate programs, not the need to torture children.
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NOT TO BE TOO CORNY
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2007, 02:33:19 AM »
but i am hoping my choir is the child in need
your ideas sound great
but the reality is underfunding, and lack of respect all around
a person trying to do the right thing has a hard time without support
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2007, 02:35:30 AM »
What program do you work for Goatfucker?
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Offline GOATFLAVOR

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« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2007, 02:51:31 AM »
I stopped working for programs in Texas
due to a lack of support
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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2007, 09:26:17 AM »
My bad dude didn't mean to attack you. I've been reading some fucked up shit lately. But yeah what kind of support are you talking about?
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I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2007, 05:15:13 PM »
I got a two year masters degree in special education with an emphasis in behavior disorders.
I learned through studying research and experience what works.
I then went to work for a supervisor that had 0 years of special ed experience much less experience with behavior disorders. The school was required to have the program on the campus by the state.  No one wanted it there. I got to deal with all that that created as well as knowing what is suppose to be done and not being in a position to do anything about it.

I saw a mentor with decades of experience running progressive least restrictive programs all over the country being attacked by teachers in a school run poorly because they were threatened by change.  I saw administrators in the poorly run school that had been in the field for over 20 years refering to and using restraints as "compliance holds".  

I have worked for 2 different RTCs in Texas and have seen the extreme staff turn over.  There is not enough funding to keep qualified people.

I got to work in one of the best situations that I have ever seen in terms of people educated and experienced.  I saw the staff over worked and under payed.  

I have no problem giving names and dates, but i have done that before on this sight and responses were off topic and aimed only at attacking my credibility.  Believe me or don't.  I have nothing to prove.
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TRUTHFULLY
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2007, 09:45:31 PM »
Many places are hiring people that i wouldn't trust to make my lunch
to work with kids that already have problems. Now mix in sincere people trying to do the right thing that get no support and have to face instant attack if anything goes wrong.  All I did was post on this sight and i got about 4 people that don't know anything about me implying that i abuse kids.  It gets tough to see a reason to even try.  

I pray about it.  I stopped working for the state and I now try to work through the salvation army.  Anybody trying to do anything needs support.  Find a group you trust and do as much as you can.
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I DONT KNOW
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2007, 10:34:51 PM »
I dont know what happened at the ranch
I am not connected to the people there
but I have been in the past

It provided a chance to do something that mattered to the person that wanted it, and I knew several people that did
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« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2007, 11:03:12 PM »
What did you see that unsettled you?
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« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2007, 03:45:42 AM »
Have you ever contacted your statesman about the problems you saw? I know it might seem like a lost cause(dealing with government) but at the least when the shit hits the fan(which it will) they won't be able to say "we didn't know". Texas? TYC? It would also be good to contact ISAC, report what you know.

But yeah didn't mean to attack you, well I guess I did.. You just caught me coming off of a roller coaster through someone else's personal hell. It's easy to attach someone else's words about needing to use restraints and the monsters you just read about who use restraints as a tool of terror and punishment.
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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