The Ring

[Ursus]

NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.

Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what.  No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.

[Toetag Inc.]

NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.

Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what.  No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.

Please, please do not misunderstand me I hate  Elan, my thoughts are not an attempt to gain any kind of sympathy for Elan what so ever. I just feel that complaining does very little. If anyone wants to actually do something tangible about Elan I am with you all the way.

[Ursus]

NO it certainly does not. But, it is a start. All you have to do to find peace, at least for me, is remember the good things because there were a few. As for the bad shit , just throw up your middle finger and move on.

Seems to me that perhaps the good things just were 'cause people are people, and friends will be friends, no matter what.  No matter where you were during this time of your life, you would have some good memories.

Please, please do not misunderstand me I hate  Elan, my thoughts are not an attempt to gain any kind of sympathy for Elan what so ever. I just feel that complaining does very little. If anyone wants to actually do something tangible about Elan I am with you all the way.

Didn't intend to undercut your intentions, sorry if it appeared that way.

I do want to point out, however, that "complaining" is sometimes necessary for some people to heal.  I do think you need to respect the "to each his own" philosophy, as much as is possible... It also helps people to read that others went through the same or similar thing, so "commiserating" is not necessarily a bad thing.  Hopefully it is but the first step to understanding, and thence on to change, and bigger and better pastures?

Just my humble opinion, for what's worth...  

[hanzomon4]

I wouldn't have learned about any of this stuff if no one complained. Same goes for program parents, some come on here thinking they've found a "safe" program because they can't find any complaints or abuse allegations. Truth is many abusive places slide under the radar, and then something horrible happens and everyone is shocked. I also believe that no matter when the abuse occurred the program responsible should be shutdown and held accountable for any harm caused. It's not right for any facility to abuse kids, deny it, and then go along it's merry way. Letting the issue go only shows abusers that they can get away with it, and chances are they'll do it again.

I don't know what can be done besides raising awareness, which is a great start. I'm still trying to get a grasp on what Elan was/is exactly, but what I have learned already seems bad. I wish I could offer some real suggestions beyond the obvious.  

But yeah keep talking if you can, keeps folks educated...