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« on: August 05, 2003, 02:54:00 AM »
most of my time in elan i spent in the corner. The first experiance i remember was in elan five. I was thirteen, I refused to do the customary song and dance that newcomers had to perform in their first morning meeting. Neil Kurzman put me in the corner in the room next to the broadcasting room upstairs. He would get in my face and turn bright red screaming at me telling me I would not be permitted to eat, or sleep, or doing anything else until I did the song and dance. I know I pissed him off, I got right back in his face and was screaming back. I am pretty sure that I did not do the song and dance for quite sometime, at least not to their expectations. I spent quite some time in the corner of the broadcasting room, I know I had many p.os, I remember carolyn t, carl s,julie b, mary jane c, and Im not sure who else. There were times that I spent weeks and months as a corner person, I would have my head in my hands and go off to that black place in my mind for hours and hours, sometimes days. I can remember the feeling of floating away, I still do it today, my therapist says its dissassociation. I know that in every house i was in, elan four, elan five, and elan eight, and even elan three, that i spent alot of time in the corner in that black hole in my mind sometimes other places in my mind but I remember the blackness the most. I was in the corner in the old schoolhouse trailer, elan three broadcasting room, that little room outside the dining room, the business office, the school rooms in elan eight, the staff office in elan eight, the dorms in elan eight, the cells in elan four, the expeditors office in elan four, the broadcasting room in elan four, the dining room in elan four, the communications dept in elan four which was also i think the english room,in elan five, the broadcasting room, expeditors office, some room upstairs on the very far left of the hallway, the staff office, the womans dorms, the dining room. There were other disciplinary measures as well that I partially remember, but only a very very small part of at this time. I know I was outdoors on at least a few occassions, doing what I have no clue, but I know I was outside at elan five, elan eight and elan four. Why, at the present time I have no clue. Maybe someday my mind will let me know. Most of these things I am just starting to remember. It's hard to believe that after 20 years memories are just starting to surface. Each day that I think about things Im reminded what a piece of shit I was to people there,and how it still hurts so bad I sit here and cry and wonder how come nothing was ever done and how that place can still be open today with some of the same staff members being there. Well I think I better quit thinking for now cause I feel that fucked up feeling coming up in my throat and like im starting to float sideways.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2003, 08:54:00 AM »
I remeber times when we had corner contracs with other residencts and we would all wind up in the corner.The best times were when there was so many corner people that elan would warehouse us in the old school house.
We had so much fun in there, goofing around telling jokes escaping the reality of Elan.Have of my sp's would be goofing around with us.
This one time I was in the corner in the school house and my s.p was Ken Pladsen, we both goofed around and ken decided to give up his dept head position and join us in the corner.We had one helll of a time for about 2 weeks.
Finally the directors said to hell with this there was too many corner people and they had this huge 3 house GM that lasted for 2-3 days I'm not sure, we didn't even have school for those days becasue there was so many corner people.
Basically there was close to 25 residents in the corner at one time with all three houses combined.When there is that many corner people we the residents really do control Elan.
They had to bring in the nightguards during the day to use as S.P's.
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2003, 10:52:00 PM »
I remember towards the end of my stay where I was, I was shotdown for awhile.. me and another guy, Rich.  It was cool shit.. We really did run the place in a way.  As a shot down, you were supposed to do all the shitty work.  We started to like it.  We started to volunteer for so much work, that it was like they didn't even push anything on us anymore.  We kept that place going on some levels.  We both had good work ethics, and took our work seriousely, and so it was naturally fun.  All the status and such were happy to see us working while they had some free time to play cards or something... made them feel good.. little did they know that we liked it too.  It was great getting away from all of this people.  We didn't even really do anything wrong either.  Technically, we were not supposed to talk, but they got so use to us doing all that work, that we were allowed to talk as long as it was strictly work related.. It's amazing how in some ways, you can actually rewrite the program from the inside, but of course, overall, I don't think it was worth it.. I gave in somewhat with time there, especially, after my probation officer found out that I was there, 'cause after that, it seemed that I would literally be there forever.  The program was supposed to last for 18 months.  I had already been there 5, and was basically still at the level of the ladder  as a person who came in for their first day (" inductions"),. which was one step lower then a general worker. As I became more broken down inside, having it seem that my hell was now terminal, I gave in more easier.  All that said, the reason that I don't think rewriting the program was a good thing overall, was that, it seemed that any investments that you made into the place, was bad for you, cause it took you further into the program, and further from reality, but it sure made the stay easier for a while.

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« Reply #3 on: August 05, 2003, 10:57:00 PM »
Jackie,

    I read your post and your one about the ring.  I am thinking that you must be a very strong person.  I would consider it a great success that you are here talking about this shit.

Some people would not have made it this far at all, I think...


     Do you mind if I ask what your therapist says to do when you go back into the disassociative state?


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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2003, 04:30:00 AM »
she basically tells me i should stay away from triggering things, people, places etc., but if i did that, i would be a hermit......so.....there really is nothing i can do......my kids know that if i switch/change that they have phone numbers to call, therapist etc and so far that works....i have contact with my therapist and mental health peeps everyday so i have a pretty strong support network.......i guess its something that maybe over time will get better, i may be starting to see a therapist that specializes in dissassociative disorders but were trying to find out about insurance and payment info first, unfortunatly everything costs money even in the name of help......ill let ya know more when i do.... :silly:

somteimes believe it or not, prayer works....
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« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2003, 09:44:00 PM »
Hey Jackie,

   I figurred that your therapist told you something like that.. That is the reason that I asked.  You described disassociative disorder, as like going into a black hole to avoid the pain of the program.. My personal thoughts is that, if you can create it, it can also be deconstructed.

     As you said, ovoiding the triggers, is more or less, impossible.  I just wanted to share with you just some of my ideas on this.  I figure that you most likely have sought input in reguards to this sitaution, and perhaps, from multiple sources. .. so I figurred I'd give ya a little.

    At the time when you created that place for yourself, you probably viewed it as a home, or a place of safety.  Avoiding it creates a situation referred to structurally, as conflict manipualtion, leading to oscillation.  This basically means that to the extent that you attempt to avoid it, it will come back.  It's like a person, who id tied to two seperate walls, on each side of him, by two giant rubberbands.  The further he goes towards one, the potentail is continuously growing for him to9 be pulled back to the other.

     IMHO, if you don't mind my sharing, I think that it would be best to make peace with that place.. however one would do that.. and that that is the optimum palce to put your efforts, as opposed to avoiding it, and treating it as a disease.  I would say that it is not so much a disease, as a particular organisation of self.. that came to be in order to help your mind, survive the program, but still now goes on, where it no longfer serves the purpose of survival.  I would also say that the switch, is not so much a condition to be cut away, but a part of yourself to be reintegrated.

Just my 2 cents..


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« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2007, 01:23:07 PM »
What is a gm? I've seen it mentioned in a few post but it's never explained?
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« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2007, 07:34:21 PM »
That is right on point...I could not of said it better myself....My first day in Elan 3 there was a GM, I remember a gal named Francesca was my "Big Sister" and a staff member poked her and pointed at me and I guess I was so white they actually stopped the freakin thing to get me outta there and to go see a nurse. All I kept doing they said was shaking my head "no" and saying "it's so awful, all that yelling,why,why,why..." That should of been an indicator of things to come for me..
Then I found a "M-80" in my stuff I packed away and I showed it to a kid in school and I was joking that I was gonna blow the place up and he told on me!! Then, I drew a pic on the desk during school of a girl with the top of her head ripped off, holding her brain in her hand eating it with blood dripping around her mouth. It took an entire class period...Hiram screamed at me during class out in the hallway. I was like "Jeeze buddy, calm down"....
I had not thought about that incident for years and years..
It was a movie called "Hannibal Lector" that reminded me..I saw it yesterday..It was really good btw...
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2007, 03:27:51 AM »
Sounds like the other programs, "positive" peer-pressure(bullshit). Where do they come up with this stuff?

I've seen references to elan3, elan8, etc.. I assume that's the different houses but are these "houses" apart of the same facility or do they equal separate Elans/different facility?

In a few of the older threads I saw po's referenced, po=parole officer? If so What all do the they know about the abuse and have any of them tried to intervene? I remember reading an article a while back about New York threating to stop sending kids(State Money) to Elan. Is this State money Elan's life blood like the Judge Rothenberg Center?  

By the way thanks for answering my questions.. {rant} Looking at all of this stuff(programs, abuse, ect..) is like constantly descending into a deeper level of hell. You think you've seen the worse when you discover yet another shit pit. It bothers me so much because I know about what's going on but I can't do anythi... er what I want to do... shut  them all down and have the abusers actions acknowledge by the world and denounced as wrong/evil. For those of you who lived through all of this stuff I admire you all to the fullest. I'm looking forward to the day when I can do more then just talk, and I'll work to that end in the meantime. Stay hopeful, you got more people on your side then you know. {rant off}
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i]Do something real, however, small. And don\'t-- don\'t diss the political things, but understand their limitations - Grace Lee Boggs[/i]
I do see the present and the future of our children as very dark. But I trust the people\'s capacity for reflection, rage, and rebellion - Oscar Olivera

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