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« Reply #60 on: February 02, 2007, 12:28:56 AM »
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Absolutely, without a doubt.


 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
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« Reply #61 on: February 02, 2007, 12:32:09 AM »
Kind of like the lawyer that Sue had 'on staff'.  :rofl:
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« Reply #62 on: February 02, 2007, 12:32:44 AM »
What this thread proves is that CCM still can not justify what she supports, same for Kevin...
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« Reply #63 on: February 02, 2007, 12:34:21 AM »
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Kind of like the lawyer that Sue had 'on staff'.  :rofl:


Ya, just like that! NOT!!!!!! :nworthy:
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« Reply #64 on: February 02, 2007, 12:35:45 AM »
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What this thread proves is that CCM still can not justify what she supports, same for Kevin...


Blah, blah, blah.
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« Reply #65 on: February 02, 2007, 12:35:47 AM »
So you are going to refer kids for money then?
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« Reply #66 on: February 02, 2007, 12:36:59 AM »
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So you are going to refer kids for money then?


No, so don't worry you'll still get yours!
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« Reply #67 on: February 02, 2007, 12:38:07 AM »
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Quote from: ""Guest""
So you are going to refer kids for money then?

No, so don't worry you'll still get yours!


Why not? If its a noble cause and helping kids and all that, why arent you doing it?
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« Reply #68 on: February 02, 2007, 12:38:28 AM »
Silence.  Hmm.  Ok, how 'bout this one.


http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/oct2004/od-15.htm

Panel Finds that Scare Tactics for Violence Prevention are Harmful
Good news is that positive approaches show promise

Bethesda, Maryland ? Programs that rely on ?scare tactics? to prevent children and adolescents from engaging in violent behavior are not only ineffective, but may actually make the problem worse, according to an independent state-of-the-science panel convened this week by the National Institutes of Health (NIH). The panel, charged with assessing the available evidence on preventing violence and other health-risking behaviors in adolescents, announced today its assessment of the current research.

The panel found that group detention centers, boot camps, and other ?get tough? programs often exacerbate problems by grouping young people with delinquent tendencies, where the more sophisticated instruct the more naïve. Similarly, the practice of transferring juveniles to the adult judicial system can be counterproductive, resulting in greater violence among incarcerated youth.

?The good news is that a number of intervention programs have been demonstrated to be effective through randomized controlled trials,? explained Dr. Robert L. Johnson, Chair of the Department of Pediatrics at the University of Medicine and Dentistry of New Jersey, who chaired the state-of-the-science panel. ?We were pleased to find several programs that work, and we hope that communities will adopt them and continue to develop other interventions that incorporate the features common to successful programs.?

The panel highlighted two programs that are clearly effective in reducing arrests and out-of-home placements: Functional Family Therapy, and Multisystemic Therapy. Among the important characteristics that these programs have in common are a focus on developing social competency skills, a long-term approach, and family involvement.

The panel also identified strengths and weaknesses in the field of violence prevention research, and made a number of recommendations to shape future efforts. Among these, the panel advocated a national population-based adolescent violence registry, and greater emphasis on economic research into the cost-effectiveness of intervention to prevent violence.

The panel released its findings in a public session this morning, following two days of expert presentations and panel deliberations. The full text of the panel's draft statement will be available late today at http://consensus.nih.gov. The final version will be available at the same Web address in three to four weeks. Statements from past conferences and additional information about the NIH Consensus Development Program are also available at the Web site, or by calling 1-888-644-2667.

The panel is independent and its report is not a policy statement of the NIH or the Federal Government. The NIH Consensus Development Program, of which this conference is a part, was established in 1977 as a mechanism to judge controversial topics in medicine and public health in an unbiased, impartial manner. NIH has conducted 119 consensus development conferences, and 23 state-of-the-science (formerly "technology assessment") conferences, addressing a wide range of issues.

The conference was sponsored by the Office of Medical Applications of Research and the National Institute of Mental Health, of the NIH. Cosponsors included the Office of Behavioral and Social Sciences Research, the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism, the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development, the National Institute on Drug Abuse, National Institute of Nursing Research, the National Library of Medicine, the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration, the U.S. Department of Education, and the U.S. Department of Justice.

The 13-member panel included practitioners and researchers in community and family medicine, pediatrics, nursing, psychiatry, behavioral health, economics, juvenile justice, outcomes research, and a public representative. The panel reviewed an extensive collection of scientific literature related to youth violence prevention, including a systematic literature review prepared by the Southern California Evidence-Based Practice Center, under contract with the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality. A summary of the Evidence Report on Preventing Violence and Related Health-Risking Social Behaviors in Adolescents is available at http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/adolvisum.htm.

The archived webcast of the conference sessions will be available shortly at http://consensus.nih.gov/.






Or this one.....


http://209.85.165.104/search?q=cache:5T ... =firefox-a

Treatment  

Treatment options for adolescents with depression are similar to those for depressed adults, and include psychotherapy and antidepressant medications (see major depression for a review of treatments and self-care). However, one major antidepressant, Paxil, now has a warning NOT to be given to children under 18.

Family therapy may be helpful if family conflict is contributing to the depression. Support from family or teachers to help with school problems may also be needed. Occasionally, hospitalization in a psychiatric unit may be required for individuals with severe depression, or if they are at risk of suicide.

Because of the behavior problems that often co-exist with adolescent depression, many parents are tempted to send their child to a "boot camp", "wilderness program", or "emotional growth school."

These programs often use non-medical staff, confrontational therapies, and harsh punishments. There is no scientific evidence to support such programs. In fact, there is a growing body of research which suggests that they can actually harm sensitive teens with depression.

Depressed teens who act out may also become involved with the criminal justice system. Parents are often advised not to intervene, but to "let them experience consequences."

Unfortunately, this can also harm teens through exposure to more deviant peers and reduction in educational opportunities. A better solution is to get the best possible legal advice and search for treatment on your own, which gives parents more control over techniques used and options.

Though a large percentage of teens in the criminal justice system have mental disorders like depression, few juvenile prisons, "boot camps" or other "alternative to prison" programs provide adequate treatment.
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« Reply #69 on: February 02, 2007, 12:39:28 AM »
ccm's lack of maturity is showing, you silly silly girl.
but remember, when she has a party, she invites everyone. so guess we are all included!
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« Reply #70 on: February 02, 2007, 12:44:33 AM »
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ccm's lack of maturity is showing, you silly silly girl.
but remember, when she has a party, she invites everyone. so guess we are all included!



Of course!!! A party isn't a party until someone gets pushed into the pool!!!!!!!! Come on over LOL!
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Good lord.
« Reply #71 on: February 02, 2007, 12:45:31 AM »
You should all feel so proud of yourself, just like a gang does after they jump someone.

TSW, you know very well why I don't post here. I don't want to be the target for misplaced hatred of teen treatment facilities for your all knowing "fornits crew". I am happy to be part of the healing process for all of you who've been hurt, because you seem to feel better about yourselves once you're able to cuss out and berate people who you feel perpetuate motives similar to the ones comparable to the programs you were once a part of. Keep believing I'm your enemy, it's not going to go anywhere, maybe someone will manage to find this information but it certainly doesn't compare to the number of families I've personally saved from WWASP schools.

As far as you digging in deeper and deeper into my schools, I'm happy to have you're help. In regards to the discipline camp at MCC, it has been discontinued due to efforts on my part. It used to be for the hardcore gangster thugs that needed some good solid discipline, nothing further. If that's all you've got then I feel confident I'll succeed with my network.

I am only in the preliminary stages of the development of my referral system. I've utilized much of the information from the ASTART guidelines to be used in the determination of programs which may many would consider safer than WWASP (or related) programs. I am re-emphasizing that I have changed my stance outright to become first and foremost an advocate for localized treatment and home-based care, and if parents don't have other options, then I will proceed to do my best to find a school for that family.

To begin, my programs will not be capable of maintaining their membership to my network should they be found to be operating outside of my agreement terms. This is not a fool proof plan, but it's the best I am capable of, and there is still little else in place to prevent children from ending up in poorly managed facilities.

That is my goal, to stop supporting WWASP's repetitive little mind control game, and send children away from facilities known to be abusive. I understand that no level of reasoning is going to sway you from your views (TSW), you probably understand the same of me. We are both highly opinionated and intelligent people, that much we do know, and I am offering you the chance to bring anyone you want to my home court and publicly and decisively defend your thoughts.

I am not asking for a "fight". I want a civil, well-thought out discussion that consists of more than "she likes to lick her horse's cunt" and "you are a fucking, insentive, self-centered bitch." Many of the people in these forums (fornits) have a lack of public humility and quite frankly, as many parents have pointed out, this is starting to "turn off" people from reading valuable information. I came here to advertise for antiwwasp and received criticism on things that weren't even related. If I wanted to get harassed on fornits about TeensHelp i would have advertised that url, not http://www.antiwwasp.com. I asked for help in pursuing other options, I received none, even at a time when teenshelp had not even been created yet.

This constant conflict and open war will fuel more pain and suffering than it's worth. You may feel that taunting CCMgirl is justified for her support for me, but don't expect your statements to hold credibility with others when you so freely judge people who stand behind a cause they believe may help people. For god's sake she said that some programs were good and all of a sudden everyone placed her on the TeensHelp bandwagon. She doesn't support me, she doesn't work for me, she doesn't send people to me or have any relationship with me besides her offering an occasional helpful comment. She said that if she could or had the time she would be involved with such a practice. Other than that I don't understand how you form allegations with no detail or credible information to support your theories about CCMgirl's involvement with me or my company?

Fornits could be such a productive place if there were people willing to put aside childish impulses to create negative conflicts and disputes which really hold no merit or value.

I am going to heed the advice of whatever anon posted awhile ago not to visit here if the information that I found made me want to puke. The urge to vomit is definitely present when I read posts where students hurt by abusive programs belittle people and sift through details of current referral services and programs searching for anything to confirm your misguided attempts to understand the industry. Just because you were hurt in a program, that doesn't mean that every program is bad. What are you thinking? If you respond to this with "no, what are you thinking kev?" - you are far too predictable.

TSW you called me out but I won't continue to "battle" you here. If it's going to be done it will be on my terms in my forum in the new subforum you seem to know so much about.

All concerned parties are encouraged to debate with me and the antiwwasp members freely and openly. Vulgarity and harrassment will not be tolerated like here and fornits and users posting should direct their posts towards topics which discuss change and provide constructive criticism or helpful feedback on what people should be doing to change the industry.

The new subforums have been specifically created for the purpose of fueling progressive discussions aimed at improving the teen help industry, or destroying it, however you see fit. Please visit us at www.nu-industry.com/forum/ and register for an account, all accounts are administrator approved so please be patient if you do decide to create an account.

TSW - You have to understand I've been attacked, so yes, naturally I'm on the defensive, I'd like to change our stance towards each other to one of mutual disagreement so that we are not "fighting" and can get through this whilst making a difference.

You may think I'm a sellout, I think I'm providing a positive service based upon the opinions of professionals (this is new so I understand your previous beefs with me about lack of proper regulation and you probably will still oppose my opinion anyway).

I want to apologize for approaching the creation of my network in an inappropriate manner and I am sorry to all who I promised so much to, without researching enough credible information. I have compiled the preliminary set of guidelines for admission to the network which must be signed and dated by the director or admissions director of each school. Such guidelines will be enforced by means of random evaluations by myself at which time I may visit a school or talk with any student I choose at any time without staff intervention. I am also free to contact current students and parents of the program at any time I see fit. Though many see my guidelines as a futile attempt at regulation, I can confidently and proudly say I am doing more than I see going on here.

Magnolia Christian Center is not a bad school. Yes I have a staff member of this school who is actively participating in the discussions at antiwwasp because he feels passionate about keeping schools safe and regulated and is doing everything in his power to re-position his school to be in accordance with these new guidelines I've set forth. He has encouraged me on numerous occasions to visit with his staff and students freely to allow me a clear and unobstructed view of their program. No students have been admitted at this time for all those concerned. My guidelines are not fully developed and as such the service would be incomplete, therefore it would be irresponsible to be referring at this time. (i can almost see the posts forming already about how i shouldn't be referring at any time... again... predictability). To be clear, I was promoting two programs before the guidelines were complete, but I have halted the website while I await to have the proper signed agreements returned to me.

ASTART's guidelines were considered by myself to be almost too much for any school to handle. I believe this was discussed before in this forum. I don't think that any school is capable of attaining everything on that list so I recompiled the majority of them, at least 80% of these items into a new list to be used for decisions regarding the admission of a school to the network. This is not the sole basis for determination of acceptance into the network.

I don't post at fornits unless I feel the situation warrants it because of the lack of maturity, but if you do find the need to contact me or anyone from my organization feel free to do at http://www.nu-industry.com/forum.

To re-iterate, I won't respond to anyone here, if you have something to say to me be brave and face an entire group of people who feel the same way I do, instead of having the advantage in every conversation simply through strength in numbers.
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« Reply #72 on: February 02, 2007, 12:46:00 AM »
"Don't let them break your spirit, can't you see they want control!!!"

:question:

Why do you still bother having that as your signature?
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #73 on: February 02, 2007, 12:50:05 AM »
Kevin,

You have still done everything except explain what a good program is, and why. You throw up chaff, obfuscate, and go on about other things... but never answer that.

You also have not justified unconsentual 'treatment' and how a lot of the methodologies used have been since debunked as ineffective or harmful by actual professionals...

...and you do realize you yourself are not a professional at all, right?

What the hell gives you the right or the balls to act like you are in any position to go and send kids off to programs or say one is good when another is not?

This is not being stood up before a group, this is how the hell can you justify hurting children.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #74 on: February 02, 2007, 12:52:48 AM »
Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
"Don't let them break your spirit, can't you see they want control!!!"

:question:

Why do you still bother having that as your signature?


Because it applies to you too. Actually, a lot of you here who continue to attack me, and tell me how wrong I am. You won't get me to change the way I feel. No matter how hard you try to cram it down my throat. Get it, got it, good!!!
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