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« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2007, 01:49:48 PM »
Chula Vista
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(private residential care facility)
Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros, 16-year-old, died of respiratory arrest

face put down on floor
arms and legs restrained by 4 staff members
 
February 5, 1999/AP Wire

OK, Who, here's one for you.  I know you hate to see it, but you're just dead (no pun intended) wrong again (and again, and again...)
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« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2007, 01:53:08 PM »
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Chula Vista
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Kristal Mayon-Ceniceros, 16-year-old, died of respiratory arrest

face put down on floor
arms and legs restrained by 4 staff members
 
February 5, 1999/AP Wire

OK, Who, here's one for you.  I know you hate to see it, but you're just dead (no pun intended) wrong again (and again, and again...)


Again -- look at the time frame we are comparing :

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000
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« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2007, 01:54:27 PM »
Willie Wright,14
March 4, 2000
Southwest Mental Health Center, San Antonio

Physical restraint death.
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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2007, 01:57:24 PM »
Randy Steele, 9
February 6, 2000
Laurel Ridge Hospital, San Antonio

Physical restraint death
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« Reply #109 on: January 30, 2007, 01:58:56 PM »
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Willie Wright,14
March 4, 2000
Southwest Mental Health Center, San Antonio

Physical restraint death.


Great!  Was this classified as a Homicide or Suicide?  Was it at a TBS?  If so we can add it.  It doesnt sound like a TBS, though.

I will take this one and look it up if you want.
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« Reply #110 on: January 30, 2007, 02:01:17 PM »
"TBS" refers only to unlicensed facilities.  Licened one's are forbidden to call themselves "schools," so they are called RCF or RTC.  Only unregulated facilities are called "TBS."
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« Reply #111 on: January 30, 2007, 02:04:21 PM »
"A fateful decision that would ultimately cost Michael his life on February 5, 2000 and raise disturbing questions about who or what let "Mikey" down.  The juvenile justice system which existed for his benefit but failed to protect him; the many doctors he had seen over the past 7 years or the camp counselor that restrained him."

Woops!  Another dead kid The Who claims doesn't exist.

Look, Who, the information is there.  The problem is that you've drawn conclusions based on your data, not objectively verafiable (i.e. REAL) data.

You just don't know what you're talking about at all.
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« Reply #112 on: January 30, 2007, 02:06:44 PM »
Why have you let yourselves get sucked into his semantic games?

I think I'm gonna whip out another guest post of the original topic pretty soon.
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« Reply #113 on: January 30, 2007, 02:08:52 PM »
Sabrina E. Day, 15

(R) North Carolina Group Home

February 10, 2000





Candace Newmaker, 10

(R) Evergreen Attachment Center

April 18, 2000



William "Eddie" Lee, 15

Obsidian Trails Wilderness Camp

September 18, 2000

Restraint Death



Dionte Pickens, 14
Three Springs Detention

October 2000

Restraint Death


Boy, the more you look, the more you find, huh?  This should tell anyone reading that The Who hasn't looked, nor does he care to, as his position disintegrates...
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« Reply #114 on: January 30, 2007, 02:12:59 PM »
Who, read this list of word slowly:

EYE

YAM

SOFA

KING

WEE

TOT

HEAD


Get it yet???
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« Reply #115 on: January 30, 2007, 02:22:07 PM »
you have shown me wilderness camp deaths, deaths at group homes.  
But what we are looking at are Homicides and suicides within the time frame (below)  at Therapeutic Boarding Schools.
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So we are still at :

Time frame:  July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  (52,000,000 students)

At School --- 21 school associated Deaths  (16  Homicides .00003%, 6 suicides .000012%)

Away from school  (2,124 Homicides 0.0041%, 1,922 Suicides 0.0037%)


And estimated a population of 30,000 kids.

So At TBS?s the results would be:

At School  ---   0 (0 Homicides, 0 suicide)

Away from School ? 1 (0 Homicides 0%, 1 Suicide 0.0033%)
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« Reply #116 on: January 30, 2007, 02:25:30 PM »
You are missing the forest for the trees...
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« Reply #117 on: January 30, 2007, 02:39:24 PM »
I think what many are struggling with are deaths which could/should have been prevented.  We could add another category called ?Preventable deaths?  and add those occurrences which were not officially called a homicide but should have been prevented, i.e. restraints etc.
Then we could track these separately.

We think would still want to categorize them, i.e.  Wilderness, detention centers, boot camp, hospital, TBS etc.  So we can see what is going on and track any trends.
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« Reply #118 on: January 30, 2007, 02:47:41 PM »
Who, please, shut your fucking trap about "data" and "tracking."  You have been owned over and over again, yet here you are still banging your head on a rock.  

Once you learn what "data" actually is, maybe you can learn to "track" it.  Until then you're just the same old half-hippie dipshit sellout that's been circling the drain since the first day you showed up.  Do us a favor and flush yourself.
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« Reply #119 on: January 30, 2007, 02:58:21 PM »
Relax,?..It was just a suggestion.  Everyone seemed frustrated (as I can see you are) and throwing names out of kids that died who were in hospitals and mental health treatment centers, wilderness etc.  and wanted the kids to be counted.  I agree 100% they should be.  
By excluding them I am not saying they are unimportant, they are just not part of this study.  If no one is interested in tracking these types of deaths then fine, I am not here to force this on anyone.
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