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Offline Charly

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« Reply #135 on: January 30, 2007, 10:02:17 PM »
Guest-  I could not possibly insult anyone as badly as I have been insulted. I could not even imagine having the creativity to do so!  Perhaps you are forgetting what I was put through on this forum.

My login on ST has changed because I chose to try to avoid having my posts drug over here.  I see lots of changes of identity over here, too. And lots of "Guest" posts.  And lots of mods looking up IP addresses. That's the way the game is played here.

I'll leave in due course.  Just think how boring it would be without me and TheWho.  You would just have to entertain yourselves!
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« Reply #136 on: January 30, 2007, 10:03:13 PM »
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I dont think Karen wants to have all her issues and shit splayed out for everyone in the group to hear and us throw back at her in order to hurt her. She chooses not to admit personal stuff and luckily she isnt coerced over long periods of time in doing something like this against her will. karen imagine if TSW had  complete control over you, could lock you in isolation, force you to admit your shit in front of a crowd of epople.. maybe then you get an idea of what goes for treatment these days.


Bingo!  Every one of these "different" programs (I've heard that about HLA, Carlbrook, Hyde, ASR and countless others) that are supposedly kinder and gentler begins and ends with forcing a belief system on someone.  Every thing I read from both sides of these kinder, gentler versions smacks of Straight and they way they viewed and dealt with kids.  I have yet to see one that doesn't use coersion or peer groups or levels or phases or LGATs.  THAT'S the dangerous part.  I've said before that I wasn't physically abused in Straight.  Many, many, many people were but I wasn't.  What really fucked me up was the rape of my soul and that's seriously, no shit what it feels like.  I'm still realizing and coming to terms with different ways it screwed with me.....all these fucking years later.  When I was in there I had no other frame of reference, no relation to anything normal.  When I got out I was held hostage to those same beliefs through the custody shit.  I already had the stigma of being a "druggie" kid, even though there was absolutely NO evidence of a drug problem.  My own father hired an attorney that was on the board of Straight to take my kids from me.  They continued the harassment until my kids were too old for them to be able to control me anymore.  It wasn't until THEN that I was able to FINALLY begin to truly think for myself.

It's fucking rape of the soul, plain and simple and it fucking SUCKS!!
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« Reply #137 on: January 30, 2007, 10:07:13 PM »
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Guest- I could not possibly insult anyone as badly as I have been insulted. I could not even imagine having the creativity to do so! Perhaps you are forgetting what I was put through on this forum.

I'd say you earned those insults, Charly.
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« Reply #138 on: January 30, 2007, 10:07:29 PM »
I had one kid who went to a program.  I've outlined his issues many times- he was way over the top and admits today we were totally justified in sending him to wilderness.  He disagrees with the TBS step, but says we didn't know any alternatives at the time.  

Guest- I believe there is much abuse at many programs.  I'm just not sure if it is ALL programs.  They aren't all the same.  I wouldn't even consider (at the time) HLA or any CEDU or WWASP program (or any off-shore program) for my son. I had a list of 3 programs I would consider and I chose one.  I don't think it is right for everyone and I don't know what changes have occured since my son was there.
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« Reply #139 on: January 30, 2007, 10:09:55 PM »
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An alternative for kids who can't remain in the home and community, like mine.
I'm curious as to why your kids couldn't remain in your home, or why they didn't want to, etc.
What was the reason?



Me too.  Most of the time it really seems that it's the parents freaking out over teenagers growing a mind of their own.  I get that, don't misunderstand me.  As y'all know, I've got two of them myself.  They can scare the living shit out of you, but most grow out of it.  I think that's where the big disconnect is.  Kids just aren't the big, bad boogeymen they're being made out to be.
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« Reply #140 on: January 30, 2007, 10:10:15 PM »
SS- How does someone "earn" those kind of insults.  That sounds like something you picked up in program.  Someone who insults someone with that kind of malice needs to check in with themselves.  I took a look at what I was doing and apologized.
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« Reply #141 on: January 30, 2007, 10:10:22 PM »
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An alternative for kids who can't remain in the home and community, like mine.
I'm curious as to why your kids couldn't remain in your home, or why they didn't want to, etc.
What was the reason?

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« Reply #142 on: January 30, 2007, 10:12:13 PM »
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SS- How does someone "earn" those kind of insults.  That sounds like something you picked up in program.  Someone who insults someone with that kind of malice needs to check in with themselves.  I took a look at what I was doing and apologized.

I was referring to the things the other people were saying about you is all. In other words, you deserved them, haha.
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« Reply #143 on: January 30, 2007, 10:12:24 PM »
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SS- How does someone "earn" those kind of insults.  That sounds like something you picked up in program.  Someone who insults someone with that kind of malice needs to check in with themselves.  I took a look at what I was doing and apologized.


"Check in with themselves"  :rofl: I'm going to use that some time.
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« Reply #144 on: January 30, 2007, 10:13:05 PM »
My kid could not remain in the home.  We've been through this before.


Anne, my husband and I are not at all like your father and I'm sorry you had to go through that.  We sent our son to two programs and he was home in a year without finishing the second program. He matured and figured out a lot of things for himself. Whether or not there was therapeutic benefit from the TBS is up for grabs.  It did allow him to see where he wanted to go with his life and the way things were going before he went away wasn't working for him.
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« Reply #145 on: January 30, 2007, 10:13:33 PM »
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SS- How does someone "earn" those kind of insults.  That sounds like something you picked up in program.  Someone who insults someone with that kind of malice needs to check in with themselves.  I took a look at what I was doing and apologized.

 :rofl: "needs to check in with themselves"?  :roll:
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« Reply #146 on: January 30, 2007, 10:16:59 PM »
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I can not imagine anything worse.  I agree that the scenario you describe is abusive.  However, this is not the way my son's wilderness program worked and even the TBS did not use TSW tactics or the kind of force or coercion you describe.  I am open to learning more about it if it does- and I can see how to some people (teens) it can feel like that. For my son it didn't impact him that much.


Oh really.  The tbs didn't use those tactics.  Your son said kids broke.  Kids don't do that unless coerced.  And they did use LGAT techniques in their propheets.  Like the documentary shrink said "they do in days what it takes most cults years to do"

You're right.  Your son was lucky.  He didn't break.  He is strong willed apparantly...  probably a bit stubborn like his mother  :wink:

You did watch the french documentary right?
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« Reply #147 on: January 30, 2007, 10:18:15 PM »
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Psy- I am not convinced that the program is entirely to blame for the anger and parent-hatred on this forum.  I think many of these posters have serious psychological issues (and I don't mean that as an insult) that could be present with or without a program in their past.
Anne is a good example.  I simply don't believe that all of her problems-throughout her adult life- are the fault of the program she attended or anything that happened to her there.
Someone said [Ottawa] that this forum seems to be a receptacle for seriously disturbed people.  Is this the result of attending a program or is attending a program simply another point of common ground?  I don't know.


Oh brother. Karen's been hanging out with Ottawa on STs and now has become an shade-tree psychologist. This should be interesting. She knows all about teens and can dx others, but couldn't raise her own kid. Now that's someone we sh0uld take advice from.
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« Reply #148 on: January 30, 2007, 10:18:23 PM »
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It did allow him to see where he wanted to go with his life and the way things were going before he went away wasn't working for him.


One thing programs have in common is the over use of euphemisms and gross simplification.
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« Reply #149 on: January 30, 2007, 10:19:09 PM »
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SS- How does someone "earn" those kind of insults.  That sounds like something you picked up in program.  Someone who insults someone with that kind of malice needs to check in with themselves.  I took a look at what I was doing and apologized.
:rofl: "needs to check in with themselves"?  :roll:

Ironic too since Karen's post sounds WAY program....  ::bwahaha2::
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