Breaking my heart

[Charly]

I did watch it.  I agree that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.  I just don't quite know where that is.  
I am not opposed to coercion in therapy.  I think some of it is needed- I agree with Anne Hall on that.

[Anne Bonney]

My kid could not remain in the home.  We've been through this before.


Anne, my husband and I are not at all like your father and I'm sorry you had to go through that.  We sent our son to two programs and he was home in a year without finishing the second program. He matured and figured out a lot of things for himself. Whether or not there was therapeutic benefit from the TBS is up for grabs.  It did allow him to see where he wanted to go with his life and the way things were going before he went away wasn't working for him.

Well gee, thanks but I ain't asking for your pity.  :roll:  My point is that my dad didn't and still doesn't feel that Straight was abusive.  I was in there with the famed Miller Newton.  The whole time.  Pretty much everyone agrees that that was horrible.  Not dad.  He refuses to see it.  Parents see what they want to see.  They see what's put in front of them.  They need to look a little deeper.

[Anonymous]

I did watch it.  I agree that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.  I just don't quite know where that is.  
I am not opposed to coercion in therapy.  I think some of it is needed- I agree with Anne Hall on that.

Have you ever been on the receiving end?

[teachback]

Oh brother. Karen's been hanging out with Ottawa on STs and now has become an shade-tree psychologist. This should be interesting. She knows all about teens and can dx others, but couldn't raise her own kid. Now that's someone we sh0uld take advice from.

 :rofl:  :nworthy:  :tup:

[Anne Bonney]

I did watch it.  I agree that there is a line that shouldn't be crossed.  I just don't quite know where that is.  
I am not opposed to coercion in therapy. I think some of it is needed- I agree with Anne Hall on that.

And you wonder why we call you names. :roll:  ::both::  ::fuckoff::  ::both::  ::fuckoff::  ::unhappy::  ::stab::  ::puke::  ::bangin::

[Charly]

If my son tells me his programs were abusive to him, I'll listen.

TSW- Yes, he grew up. The therapy at the TBS had little to do with it. However, what he did have there were a few staff members (including his therapist) who he really respected and listened to. He didn't listen to us (his parents).  He still emails back and forth with one of them in Latin.  I don't really care whether it was the therapy or not.  The time he was there he was safe, he had a lot of time to read and think, and he came out ready to live his life.  I agreed way before this that the therapy was suspect in terms of the groups, etc.  There were a few things that worked for him, but he is not very receptive to therapy.

Anne- that is what I mean.  It wasn't a matter of my pitying you. It was me telling you I hear what you are saying and I appreciate what you went through.  It's a shame for you that you can't accept that.

[Anonymous]

So why can't I diagnose my own parent with Alzheimers (theyve been forgetting things lately, not flushing the toilet) and hire some thugs to take them away for a few years and have them trained to flush the toilet like good boys and girls. Aparently some shit about due process, the constitution... thank god that stuff don't apply to them damn kids!

[teachback]

It did allow him to see where he wanted to go with his life and the way things were going before he went away wasn't working for him.

One thing programs have in common is the over use of euphemisms and gross simplification.

Yes indeed.

[Charly]

Deb-  You're right.  Our family got to the point where we could not raise our son.  There was a year that he needed to not be with us. Perhaps it was our terrible parenting, but for whatever reason the family had totally broken down.  He appears to have gotten raised OK, though, in the end.

[Charly]

If your parents were minors or you had medical power of attorney, you could certainly have them taken to a facility which would likely be a lot worse than the TBS my son attended, judging from the nursing home cases I read about in the legal journals.

[Anne Bonney]

Karen, you're talking out your ass again as usual.  You have no idea what it's like to be subjected to that kind of bullshit.  You have no idea how it alters you view of life and self.  I read these forums and just shake my head.  All these places that are proclaimed to be different, better, safer....it's all bullshit.  I'm watching the people that went to Hyde anywhere from 30 years ago until just a few wake up and realize what was done to them.  Just like happened with Carlbrook and ASR and HLA and on and on.  It's all so sad.  So many families lost, altered beyond repair.  So many lives shattered or even simply dulled and muted.  It's sick, it's twisted, it doesn't "work", it hurts people and it needs to fucking stop.  Now.

[Anonymous]

If your parents were minors or you had medical power of attorney, you could certainly have them taken to a facility which would likely be a lot worse than the TBS my son attended, judging from the nursing home cases I read about in the legal journals.

What do you you have to do to get medical power of attorney?

Why does the state not trust the family to  make the decision when in patient is necessary. Why is there due process for coercive therapy for adults and not children?

[psy]

Guest-  I could not possibly insult anyone as badly as I have been insulted. I could not even imagine having the creativity to do so!  Perhaps you are forgetting what I was put through on this forum.

My login on ST has changed because I chose to try to avoid having my posts drug over here.  I see lots of changes of identity over here, too. And lots of "Guest" posts.  And lots of mods looking up IP addresses. That's the way the game is played here.

I'll leave in due course.  Just think how boring it would be without me and TheWho.  You would just have to entertain yourselves!

Look.  The first person to stop mentioning the past will be the first to put it in the past.  

Your ip address... like milk said... can do nothing without a subpoena.  If it could, the record industry would be suing a lot more teenagers.

Shit.  if you don't want to provoke..  don't say provocative things like that. that said.  Chill.

You are dead on about the abuse though.  Though you are wrong that what you went through was the worst of it.  You think people finding out a little information about you on the internet (much of it false) is bad?  Well.  Imagine if you got "confronted" a la "Le Forum" method every day for years on end... and ... unlike "Le Forum"... the people confronting you know a lot... a lot.. about you becuase... guess what... you've been coerced into telling them a lot.... and confessing to a lot of things that weren't true.. to try to appease... and "work the program"...  Please.  You truly have no idea...  no IDEA.. how bad it can get in these programs...

Let's see... for example...  A girl who I knew was brought out in front of group becuase she used to masturbate with the cookware in the house.. (dildoes etc.. were not allowed).  As a result... imaginably...  The girl was henceforth known as "spatch" for "spatula".  it sounds funny?  You think it was funny to her.

Imagine every personal, embarrassing thing you have ever done being used against you in front of a large... very vocal audience...(extra points with staff for cruelty... also known as "being real"... or in the french documentary "authenticity")...

that's just for starters.... should i continue...

Oh.  The girl who was raped.... well guess what.  her daddy was the one who raped her.. and guess who paid the bills... Daddy.  So guess what.  They basically told her to deal with it.

Oh.  The girl who said she was raped by another guy in program...  I don't know if she was telling the truth or not... but the staff didn't care...  She was labeled as "manipulative"...

The sucide attempts: Manipulatiors.  They made them pay for the ambulance bill by working it off at $2.50 an hour.

more you say?... ill continue in a second

You don't think carlbrook was like that?  Just becuase your kid seems to have skin like a rhino?

[teachback]

So why can't I diagnose my own parent with Alzheimers (theyve been forgetting things lately, not flushing the toilet) and hire some thugs to take them away for a few years and have them trained to flush the toilet like good boys and girls. Aparently some shit about due process, the constitution... thank god that stuff don't apply to them damn kids!

Hahaha!!

[Deborah]

And lots of mods looking up IP addresses. That's the way the game is played here.

Karen, that's too general. Who are you implicating specifically? Did you ever change the post in which you claimed I lost custody of my son? Or divulge who used you as a patsy to spread that crap? Out with it.