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Offline Anonymous

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« on: December 13, 2006, 02:43:38 AM »
Anyone who wants to do the things we talk about to Fornits to children, anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to keep kids in isolation for weeks at a time or subject them to humiliation or brainwash them in LGATs, anyone who thinks that years in some warehouse being treated like shit and forced to say that they are shit will ultimately help them become better people, is seriously mentally diseased, probably beyond hope of recovery.

And any parent who can want this to be done to his kid, let alone pay for it, is seriously mentally diseased and should probably seek help for himself.

This isn't the kind of thing people can do to kids and get away with. This is the kind of thing people can fantasize about behind a homepage with a massive disclaimer, and if anyone finds out they're in the wrong profession (e.g. teaching, day care, school bus driver), they're getting their asses kicked anyway.

When I am dictator, anyone who even seriously considers doing this will be killed in such an unbelievably brutal and horrific fashion that the next asshole who comes around can see the head on the spike and be warned.

There's your dose of moral clarity for the evening. Enjoy.
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« Reply #1 on: December 13, 2006, 03:02:42 AM »
Needs something about eye gouging and gentital mutilation.

TSW
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« Reply #2 on: December 13, 2006, 11:46:22 AM »
Yeah well when I'm king, the people who did this shit are going to get the 'Silent Hill' treatment.

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« Reply #3 on: December 13, 2006, 12:27:42 PM »
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to keep kids in isolation for weeks at a time
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Does this include groundings?
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« Reply #4 on: December 13, 2006, 12:33:21 PM »
Do you keep your kids physically locked up in their rooms for weeks on end, prevented from seeing or even talking to any of their friends at all?
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« Reply #5 on: December 13, 2006, 12:37:03 PM »
Quote from: ""exhausted""
Quote from: ""Milk Gargling Death Penal""
anyone who thinks it might be a good idea to keep kids in isolation for weeks at a time
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Does this include groundings?


Isolation as in they are COMPLETELY CUT OFF FROM THE OUTSIDE WORLD. EVERYTHING EXCEPT THE PROGRAM.

Parents, family, friends, the news, music, any non-approved reading, television, any and all media and any and all (non-apporoved) meetings with family members.

Grounding is not isolation... unless you lock them up in their room with the windows blocked, dont let them go to school or speak to family members or friends, and you do not do that, now do you?
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« Reply #6 on: December 13, 2006, 07:07:55 PM »
They aren't allowed their friends round no, they also aren't allowed the TV, they have to earn that one back, but no it's not total isolation, maybe I should try that next  :D

Oh and the non approved reading, should I take their stash of porn mags away  :P
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« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2006, 09:49:28 AM »
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They aren't allowed their friends round no, they also aren't allowed the TV, they have to earn that one back, but no it's not total isolation, maybe I should try that next  :D

Oh and the non approved reading, should I take their stash of porn mags away  :P


Good idea, stimulate their imagination! I do hope you're not stuck doing their laundry  :(

In all seriousness, unless you keep them under lock in key, isolated from you and your entire family (themself by themself in their room) with no contact with the outside world, you are not really isolating them. It does not compare one iota.
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« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2006, 06:35:25 PM »
If they had anymore they could open a shop TSW  :roll:
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« Reply #9 on: December 14, 2006, 08:31:13 PM »
program parents choose not to make the distinction that the ends just might not justify the means. or that we are people and we cannot just forget the proccess used. it doesn't work. this is the entire program philosophy. take my kid for a while, don't really tell me or show me what you are doing, just fix my kid and give them back after a year or two.

that's really all it is.  they believe the ends justify any means. and if you choose an end as righteous as saving a life, then all sorts of shit is going to be done in it's name.
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« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2006, 09:26:05 PM »
I don't think there's a kid on this panet who can do a deal and make the buyer think they've got a bargain like they can - they'll never be poor that's a cert !!
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« Reply #11 on: December 16, 2006, 08:31:20 AM »
Hmmmm...don't know, we've had a few pretty good days, and I've made sure they've known it's been nice to have them around

However, this morning, the 13 year old wanted money, I said no because I wont give him the amount it takes to buy cigarettes or alcohol, I also had given him a small amount of sweet money yesterday - anyroad the outcome was, that if I didn't give him money he was going to smash someone's car window.... I just caught him throwing the stone in broad daylight in front of my house for all to see, tried to grab him but he ran away from me, so I guess I'm going to have to get used to those few steps forward meaning giant leaps back at times  :(  I was so pleased they were settling in to some normal behaviour too
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« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2006, 09:47:36 AM »
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Hmmmm...don't know, we've had a few pretty good days, and I've made sure they've known it's been nice to have them around

However, this morning, the 13 year old wanted money, I said no because I wont give him the amount it takes to buy cigarettes or alcohol, I also had given him a small amount of sweet money yesterday - anyroad the outcome was, that if I didn't give him money he was going to smash someone's car window.... I just caught him throwing the stone in broad daylight in front of my house for all to see, tried to grab him but he ran away from me, so I guess I'm going to have to get used to those few steps forward meaning giant leaps back at times  :(  I was so pleased they were settling in to some normal behaviour too


Tell him to get a job or do something for you that is worth money, and tell him if he can't handle that he can go suck a yob off for some cash.

You might be amazed!
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« Reply #13 on: December 16, 2006, 03:57:53 PM »
You can't work here at his age, he can do a paper round I think now he's 13 but theres none here, they've been taken years ago and no one will let go of them as we live remote and thats the only work a school age kid can get

Anyways I'm not giving him money for doing jobs for me either, I wont finance his dangerous train journeys and smoking
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« Reply #14 on: December 16, 2006, 04:30:00 PM »
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so I guess I'm going to have to get used to those few steps forward meaning giant leaps back at times  :(  I was so pleased they were settling in to some normal behaviour too


Yeah, it does mean giant leaps backwards sometimes.  Sucks, I know.  I went through this for about 6 years with my oldest one.  She's now 21 and finally has a direction in her life and is doing well, but it's been a long, hard road for both of us.  From what I've been reading (I haven't gotten all of it, but the general gist) you're not doing so badly a job.  If he breaks someone's window, let him suffer the natural consequences.  Your job is to help guide them through this period of thier lives, not to make them behave...although I understand the desire to do so.  All you can do is teach them right from wrong, try to set the example and above all, be realistic with them.  Realistic in expectations of them (letting them figure out what they want for their lives, not what you want for them), realistic about drugs and sex (not spreading the propaganda about pot being dangerous, give them condoms instead of preaching abstinence) and realistic in what the natural consequences of their actions are.  If they steal and get caught, they pay the price.  Mom doesn't pay the fine, ground them and let it go.  

It does eventually get better, really it does.  Just be real with them.  Both of mine tell me that's the best thing I ever did for them.  I didn't talk just to hear myself talk, there weren't arbitrary rules in our house and I was pretty damn open and honest with them about my own life and what happened due to some of the choices I made.  I didn't buy into or teach them the anti-drug crap that's shoved down our throats in this country or freak out when they wore stupid, freakish clothes or hung out with idiots.  Teenagers are idiots a lot of the time, it's normal.  It's a part of cutting the apron strings and figuring out who they are and what they want for their own lives.  It's easy to get caught up in the kind of thinking like "I'm just trying to ensure their future" or "if they don't finish school life will suck" or "I'm trying to keep them away from bad influences".  None of that kind of thinking works.  They're supposed to be stupid morons for a while.  They're supposed to hate us for a while.  They're supposed to do crazy things that keep us awake all night and jumpy, waiting for a phone call.  It sucks, but it's true and it's all necessary for them to grow up.  

I wish you the best.  It will get better...someday.
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