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« Reply #30 on: December 24, 2006, 02:39:37 PM »
Excellent point. Ask a progrm parent, the best answer you'll ever get is ignorance. Kind of leaves a btiter taste in your mouth, doesn't it?
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« Reply #31 on: December 24, 2006, 02:40:37 PM »
Fear and the promise of an end to their hysteria (most of which is brought upon by society's bullshit, or the programs bullshit...) can make people be idiots I guess.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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« Reply #32 on: December 24, 2006, 02:46:41 PM »
I wouldnt' do to my dog what program parents do to their kid.
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« Reply #33 on: December 24, 2006, 02:50:49 PM »
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I wouldnt' do to my dog what program parents do to their kid.

You got that right, buddy. Me neither, and those are some pretty sick motherfuckers who do it.
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« Reply #34 on: December 24, 2006, 02:58:54 PM »
Guest, programme paremnts don't do it to their kids, the programs do, the parents sendd their kids away because they realy believe their kid will die in a horrific way if they don't take action, Milk is right that it doesn't make it right, but I certainly wouldn't slate anyone for trying to do whatever it takes to save their kid when they really really believe they are in danger....for example, let's turn the woman distracted from the road by the lights and killing the 6 yo into a different scenario

The woman is looking at the lights all distracted and the car wanders across the road, a 6 year old has run into the street, because she is distracted, she has wandered off course and missed the child, if she'd been going in a straight line, the kid would have been hit as he appeared from between two cars on a bycicle for arguments sake....now we have a scenario worth discussing - is the woman still wrong for not concentrating on the road? Or do we count our blessings that she did so? Was her action of doing the wrong thing, that consequently saved the child's life ok? She did the wrong thing after all! but a child's life was saved because of it

discuss, it's interesting to hear the different views.
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« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2006, 03:14:02 PM »
How about if the mother's daughter start talking back to her, and ditching school. One day the mother goes into her room while she's at school and finds a pack of ciggarettes, and condoms. Her daughter is only 14. So the mother searches on the internet for key words "bad teens" and finds a small website that claims there is a facility that wil fix her kid. She calls the phone number and the people on the phone tell her her kid will die if she doens't send her away. The mother agrees and goes to the bank to transfer the funds necessary to hire private kidnappers to come take her daughter out of her room the next night at 3 a.m. and have her whisked away to a facility that the mother has never seen. The girl spends the next two years at this facility and is emotinally and physically abused. When she gets out she tells her mother the truth and her mother tells her that she didn't know. The mother asks why did the daughter pretend that everything was okay when it wasn't. The daughter rolls her eyes and walks out.
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« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2006, 03:24:10 PM »
Kids don't deserve no goddamn rights, cuz they ain't no better than a bunch of fuckin' NIGGERS! If mine ever try to "assert their rights" I'm gonna drag 'em out to the woodshed and tear up their uppity little asses![/i]
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« Reply #37 on: December 24, 2006, 03:25:39 PM »
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and tear up their uppity little asses!


Kinky.
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« Reply #38 on: December 24, 2006, 03:26:50 PM »
Guest that's the reality, I was talking hypothetically

I want to tell everyone something that happened yesterday, well 2 things actually but they are related in my mind anyway

My daughter came in after being out with her friends, we are having serious fog problems here, the lad who as driving them wasn't drinking and was driving really slowly, but he misjudged and they had a crash
She came in really upset that I was going to go mad at her friend, i told her it was okay, it's only a bit of metal and as long as they are all okay it didn't matter

Why? Why didn't I tell the lad he shouldn't have risked going out in that weather, puting my daughter in danger ...because

An hour earlier my 13 yo got a phone call, it was a friend of his to tell him another friend of theirs had been killed in a high speed car crash, a 16 yo's life had been taken 2 days before Xmas (any day is bad enough) because he stole a car that he wasn't able to drive (you cannot drive here until you are 17)

Now taking the two different crashes, the lad who crashed and everyone was okay made a bad judgement, no one got hurt but it could have been different, does that make him wrong? Even though he didn't mean it

The lad who stole the car, knew he was doing wrong, he knew he had stolen the car, he knew he was running from the law, he knew he wasn't supposed to be driving, did he deserve to die for it? Can we say too bad, it's his own fault because he knew it was wrong?
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« Reply #39 on: December 24, 2006, 03:33:58 PM »
I don't think either one of them deserve to die. The kid who stole the car, at most, deserved whatever punishment it is you get over there for grand theft auto. (a 50 dollar fine maybe?  :wink: )


Here is an anology of mine. What if your daughter had gotten into the car with the boy who had stolen it. She knew he didn't own a car, but he didn't tell her it was stolen and got in anyways. She is ignorant, but maybe she should of asked a question or two? I don't know. Now let's say that the boy is drunk. Your daughter isn't sure, but has suspicions. The driver's words are slurry, he's acting kind of funny, driving a car that she's never seen. In her gut it doesn't feel right but he convinces her to stay. Things don't add up, but she's keeps quiet because he's the man and trust him. Driving down the road a young boy walks in the street and the drunk teen driver, with your daughter along side as passenger, strike and kill that young boy. What should happen to the daughter? She could have stopped it if she just raised her voice.
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« Reply #40 on: December 24, 2006, 03:35:09 PM »
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Guest, programme paremnts don't do it to their kids, the programs do, the parents sendd their kids away because they realy believe their kid will die in a horrific way if they don't take action, Milk is right that it doesn't make it right, but I certainly wouldn't slate anyone for trying to do whatever it takes to save their kid when they really really believe they are in danger...

Exhausted, the intentional abuse factor varies from (parental) unit to unit. The logic in inescapable.

There are some parents that desperately need a good kick in the head with a steel-toed boot. It's the 'rents that supply these places with what they need most in order to stay in operation -- MONEY!!

Soon, if I have my way, ignorance will no longer be an excuse and there will be horrible consequences dealt out & the blood of parental unit after unit will be spilled. Their kids will be standing there with knives and big ol' grins on their faces. Parents, your time has come. :skull:
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« Reply #41 on: December 24, 2006, 03:39:23 PM »
Also we must not forget about the program parents who become full fledge programmies. Parent slike Sue Scheff, and she is not alone, there are many many parents like her. They get introduced to programs, and embrace it with their entire soul. I wouldn't believe something so ridiculous would be possible until I saw it with my own eyes. Each program usually has a very hardcore support group of parents who are better than program employees. They market, do PR, take on program critics, a group of wwasps parents even produced their own informercial (a 15 minute video promoting wwasp). The reason why most people knew to this industry think ignorance can explain it all away is because that is the logical deduction. I thought that too.  That's what normal human beings think. Sadly, it's not any more than slightly true.
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« Reply #42 on: December 24, 2006, 03:40:19 PM »
Exhausted, I understand what you are saying but how can parents send their child away without even doing research as many do? And of course, what one sees as something typical another sees as a need for intervention. that is why many feel it should be up to a third party. if someone's son kills someone, their parents do not decide the outcome, the law does.
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« Reply #43 on: December 24, 2006, 03:46:52 PM »
Exhausted  I am curious if you had sent your son off after you got that email (as many parents do) and he came back and reported cult like activity, emotional abuse, the kind of stuff you hear about here... how would you react to that? What would you say to your kid when you look them in the eyes? That's what I really want to know from program parents, what answer could you possibly give?
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« Reply #44 on: December 24, 2006, 03:49:35 PM »
Good point Dr Evil - however, I'd like to remind you that no matter how much research a parent does, they are led to believe their program choice is the perfect place, look at what Psy wrote, he was a victim and even he believed it was the right thing for him in the end! If a parent is able to talk to kids in the program and they are saying it's all good and they are so glad someone stepped in, what are they meant to believe?

We all make serious mistake sin life as parents, kids and non parents, sometimes it's through ignorance

Anyone who sends their kid away because they cant be bothered to deal with the teen years (oh they are so trying) with the attitude of 'bring em back when they're 18, deserves to be shot at dawn, that kind of crap is a concious wrong
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