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Anyone know of any reasonably priced RTC's in Oregon Area?
« on: October 24, 2006, 04:55:51 PM »
Son currently at Sagewalk, looking to keep him as close as possible to Oregon, where we reside.
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Re: Anyone know of any reasonably priced RTC's in Oregon Are
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2006, 05:30:31 PM »
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Son currently at Sagewalk, looking to keep him as close as possible to Oregon, where we reside.


That is wise.

You aren't Going to find many people here who will support your decistion in general but i'm right now of a more practical opinion (since you already seem to have a little common sense.).  If you're going to send your kid to program, go to isaccorp.org and make sure it's not on the watchlist.  In addition, make sure the program gives you none of the warning signs listed on the site.

And if your kid attempts to tell you something about the program, take his word for it.  It's not worth risking.  investigate.  Your kid just might be telling the truth, and you would regret it if you didn't listen, and he was telling the truth.  Make sure you can visit him at any time unannounced.

Lastly, Do not under any conditions, take the advice of strugglingteens.com or any educational consultant that recieves compensation from the program in any form (this includes the program advertising for the ed-con)

do your homework.  and if you're really determined to do this.  Be very careful.  this site is littered with "mistakes" of which i was one of the victims.

I'm sure the rest of the site will try to convince you not to send your kid to program.  Listen to what they have to say and keep and open mind.  There are almost always other alternatives.
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Re: Anyone know of any reasonably priced RTC's in Oregon Are
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2006, 07:22:28 PM »
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Son currently at Sagewalk, looking to keep him as close as possible to Oregon, where we reside.

That is wise.

You aren't Going to find many people here who will support your decistion in general but i'm right now of a more practical opinion (since you already seem to have a little common sense.).  If you're going to send your kid to program, go to isaccorp.org and make sure it's not on the watchlist.  In addition, make sure the program gives you none of the warning signs listed on the site.

And if your kid attempts to tell you something about the program, take his word for it.  It's not worth risking.  investigate.  Your kid just might be telling the truth, and you would regret it if you didn't listen, and he was telling the truth.  Make sure you can visit him at any time unannounced.

Lastly, Do not under any conditions, take the advice of strugglingteens.com or any educational consultant that recieves compensation from the program in any form (this includes the program advertising for the ed-con)

do your homework.  and if you're really determined to do this.  Be very careful.  this site is littered with "mistakes" of which i was one of the victims.

I'm sure the rest of the site will try to convince you not to send your kid to program.  Listen to what they have to say and keep and open mind.  There are almost always other alternatives.



I agree with much of Psy's response, with a couple of differences of opinion/view.  isaccorp.org's watchlist is not, repeat NOT, error-free, especially when "support" for an inclusion is an uncorroborated report, or a single report or two.  That noted, appearance of a name on the list is cause for further investigation.  Similarly, I think their "warning signs", as I recall the list, aren't "if any appear" dangers - though some are.

Next, don't automatically take your kid's word about a program, but do investigate if something that ought to trouble is claimed.  Kids do fabricate things to "get out", but not everything troubling they say is necessarily a fabrication.  As for being able to visit unannounced, there may be some good reasons for not doing so at some times - like late at night (commonsense?!), or in the middle of the wilderness (impractical), also during the first few weeks in a place when a visit might only delay progress as your son might use it to tell you why he shouldn't be there.  But in general, you should be able to see him at any reasonable time - unannounced.  If not, why not?!

Next - strugglingteens is not intrinsically bad/wrong.  Certainly the posting parents as a whole are not so much of the same "programs are good" mind as the majority of posters here say "programs are bad".  There really are some excellent places.  And taking money from a program for referrals is not intrinsically bad, so long as it is disclosed.  If a person makes a living from helping parents find appropriate places for their kids' needs, they are entitled to get paid somehow, although I'd generally suggest you pay rather than a program - sort of keeps incentives in the right place.  In any case, ask any recommender if the program pays them.

Finally, when asking for help finding a program, and when discussing possible admission with any program, you really need to describe the issues involved, the kid's needs, your interests, what has been tried, and since he is in a "wilderness" program, what feedback they've given.  Just "a program near Oregon" simply doesn't suffice.  I can name some good places that fit that standard, but would they be appropriate?  I can't tell from the original post.

Actually, you also need to have a good reason why returning home is not a good idea, espceially if, as is often the case, appropriate supports cam be provided and agreements reached.
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« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2006, 07:40:31 PM »
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also during the first few weeks in a place when a visit might only delay progress as your son might use it to tell you why he shouldn't be there.

Your son should be permitted to question his placement and you should listen, delay or not. That is just common civility. If you cannot explain the necessity of it to him in clear rational terms, then he probably doesn't belong there and you probably don't know what you doing.
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« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2006, 07:56:32 PM »
I was about to feed that guy to the PT9K, but AA summed it up succinctly.

The original post is probably a troll and the second reply is a con.
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2006, 08:34:33 PM »
I'll assume the original poster wasn't a troll and offer this: if your son is not an imminent threat to his own or another family member's safety, why would you consider institutionalizing him? Is he in danger at home (abuse, neglect, etc.)?

I don't care if some programs are not "bad" in the abusive sense. Any place that is not home is "bad" on many levels. Institutionalizing another human being should only be done in the most extreme circumstances, to prevent serious physical injury, and then it should only be done for the absolute minimum amount of time, under the most carefully supervised and regulated conditions, until the situation is stabilized and the imminent danger has passed.

Why don't people get this? What is so complicated about the idea that kids belong with their loved ones?
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2006, 08:50:24 PM »
If this post is real and your child is in great need of help (beyond what your family is capable of at this time)......seek help locally.  The first and foremost should be to keep the family together.  If your child is local you should be able to visit anytime *uncensored.  If your child is to far away the visits just won't happen.  You would do the same thing if your child was still real little and in a daycare.  You wouldn't get online, pick a daycare and proceed to leave your little one for 10 hours a day.  Your teen still needs that same kind of diligence for their safety and family unity.

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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2006, 08:52:33 PM »
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I'll assume the original poster wasn't a troll and offer this: if your son is not an imminent threat to his own or another family member's safety, why would you consider institutionalizing him? Is he in danger at home (abuse, neglect, etc.)?

I don't care if some programs are not "bad" in the abusive sense. Any place that is not home is "bad" on many levels. Institutionalizing another human being should only be done in the most extreme circumstances, to prevent serious physical injury, and then it should only be done for the absolute minimum amount of time, under the most carefully supervised and regulated conditions, until the situation is stabilized and the imminent danger has passed.

Why don't people get this? What is so complicated about the idea that kids belong with their loved ones?


IMO, Parents don't get it b/c that's not what they are told by the people they turn to for help (namely ed cons and referral agents).

Face it, none of these programs (and the people who sell them) could make a dime if they didn't have K I D S and P A R E N T S (the ones with the checkbook).  They are the consumer.  The kid having the least rights of all.

Thank goodness for Fornits.  At least here, parents will get a hard dose of reality and may have second thoughts about the troubled teen industry in general, and in particular, taking the advice of people who get paid to recommend (sell) residential placements.
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2006, 11:30:47 PM »
You would also do well to remeber that it is in the financial interests of Struggling Teens to recommend programmes.
If you go through their archives you will find that they have given many schools a good review in spite of numerous complaints or discriptions of therapy that involves hard physical labour or forced confessions.
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2006, 04:43:53 AM »
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2006, 07:35:28 AM »
Programs don't fix anything, they just force the child to be obedient and regurgitate newage bullshit by making them suffer daily and giving them 'carrots' if they obey, and hurting them if they misbehave outright, and make them feel trapped and tell you to keep them there.

No program has ever proven to do anything, at all, ever, period. They talk about 'emotional growth' and 'parent satisfaction surveys' but they have no therapeutic value.... and frankly no value at all except child warehousing.

Also, if you cant justify what is wrong with him or why he has to be held captive, chances are he shouldnt be, just as AA said.

If you have a REAL MENTAL ILLNESS or something REALLY WRONG you can quantify it. Programs quantify nothing, they just make up stupid reasons to keep you there, to not let you tell your parents how bad it is and keep hurting you until you 'complete the program'. Thats really all its about...

Its just like the stepford wives, minus the computer chips. Unfortunately, its not a comedy movie, and people are really hurt very badly for life in these places.

But its probably a troll anyway. Oh well.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2006, 12:38:05 PM »
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As for being able to visit unannounced, there may be some good reasons for not doing so at some times - like late at night (commonsense?!), or in the middle of the wilderness (impractical), also during the first few weeks in a place when a visit might only delay progress as your son might use it to tell you why he shouldn't be there. But in general, you should be able to see him at any reasonable time - unannounced. If not, why not?!


You are great with the doublespeak, sure you don't/haven't worked with a program before?
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2006, 12:39:49 PM »
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No program has ever proven to do anything, at all, ever, period.


Oh, I don't know about that. I finally realized how self-absorbed, careless, selfish and greedy my parents really were, and now I see clearly as if I finally have my eyes fully open. I just don't think that is what parents are paying for.  :P
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2006, 08:28:00 PM »
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No program has ever proven to do anything, at all, ever, period.



That's a bunch of B.S. I am sure there are a few out there that are good. The problem is, there are so many out there that aren't. When you take bad schools, and combine it with bad parenting, you get a kid that never had a chance.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2006, 08:30:04 PM »
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No program has ever proven to do anything, at all, ever, period.


That's a bunch of B.S. I am sure there are a few out there that are good. The problem is, there are so many out there that aren't. When you take bad schools, and combine it with bad parenting, you get a kid that never had a chance.



It's not a bunch of bullshit.  It's true.  Find one study, just ONE that says that that type of "therapy" is helpful.  I'll be waiting.
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