Well, then that's your opinion based on anecdotal evidence. Don't go spouting it off as fact.
I'm sorry, I didn't think I had to put IMO, or IMHO after everything I post here on fornits?!! Now that I know the rules I promise to obey! Puhleese!!!!!!!!!!
I know a girl who went into program with relatively minor behavioral issues. When the program dropped her on the streets, she turned to meth. When you have nothing left to lose... When i talked to her recently, she thought program helped her. She was severly mind-fucked by what CEDU students would call "Profeets". She thinks Program "gave her the tools she needed to survive". Thank god she decided to join the army (she didn't wan't to be a homeless addict anymore). Several years later she is relatively fine. But she still thought program helped her until i started to explain some things.
I asked her exactly what tools she thought the program gave her. She didn't respond. I asked her to name one success story, somebody who did well, coming out of the program. She could not list one.
It is not too hard to deprogram those who think "program helped them". "Helped" kids are usually just repeating what they were programmed to say until you grab them by the hair and shove them violently down the rabbit hole.
So PLEASE shut the fuck up about "some good programs." It is not worth taking the risk. Parents are listening. If you don't know what you are talking about, DON'T POST!!!!! Otherwise you may end up doing more harm than good. OK.
How dare you tell me to "shut the fuck up". It must be easy to tell me that over the computer. Does that make you feel powerful Psy? Please, you're pathetic.
I've always said for parents to first try to work it out from home. Especially if their kids problems are minor. However when it involves serious drug use, and they refuse to stop, or if they are in danger of hurting other family members or themselves, then they might need to be placed somewhere else. Sorry, do you think it's acceptable that other siblings, or other peoples children get hurt because someone can't control their own child? I will never say all programs are bad, because they are not. But, it's the parents responsibility to do their research.
If they don't, it's possible that their best intentions, can turn into their worst nightmares. Psy, I think I want you to add cho to the end of your username. What do you think?
Maybe i was a little bit terse and if i offended you deeply i apologize. I was not aware such languge was considered off limits on this forum, i shall make more of an effort to censor myself in the future lest I offend the sensibilities of the more sensitive individuals on the board. :cry2: me a river.
However that was not the point of my response. Which you avoided. The girl i spoke of had no drug issues whatsoever prior to program. She was a virgin, had never drank, did not smoke, did not do drugs etc. She was innocent. Program
destroyed her and she thought it "gave her the tools to suceed". She was the rule, rather than the exception.
Maybe i was a little emotional since i just found about what happened to her 10 mins prior to posting. She was my good friend, who i knew personally, who i went through the brainwashing with, who i was partnered to. I saw her with my own eyes slowly lose her will to resist, and become hollow. They overwrote her own free will with their instructions of loyalty and feel-good slogans of program praise. They trained her to have an artificial attachment to her councelor by breaking her down in the most humiliating ways.
I know you're against abusive programs, but you have to realize that if, and until, programs are properly regulated, they pose an unacceptable risk. In other words, since the industry is unregulated, there ARE NO GOOD PROGRAMS!!!!! If you can't make sure a program is good, there are none. It is not worth the risk.
I posted a serious, even-handed response to the first post, playing the devil's advocate, hoping others would come in and explain why alternatives to programs are preferable. Telling a parent, basically, "go for it", was not what i was expecting. You really want a parent doing research on this? Go type in "troubled teen" in google and see whose recommendations you find? All roads lead to hell. I could go into the technical reasons why but it would bore you.
MGDP has a point, as abrasive as he can be, that arguments and bickering is unproductive. I was not expecting such a reaction (rightly or wrongly) from you and If you wished to express your dissatisfaction you should have PMed me and i might have even edited the post.
It is
not my desire to start or continue flames. So please, if you wish to take this outside, PM me.
